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#1 baglady5590

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:40 PM

All cargo doors on our 2004 Fleetwood Revolution 40' have come open while traveling.

The doors are locked and tugged on before departure but one or sometimes two fly open.

Much cargo has been lost.

Any suggestions?
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#2 DickandLois

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:43 PM

The Fact that All The cargo doors come open is a new one for me. I have had the sticker / catches loosen up and need to be retightened. Also had a spring in the latch or one of the plastic latches break, but even with one of the latches not functioning, the cargo doors have stayed closed. The clips that keep the doors centered in the opening have broken, this allows the door to move off center and a latch slip out of the catch and the door did not open.

I can see where one or two of the doors could be affected while on a trip.

This problem thread should be interesting to follow.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

Thanks for your response, do you think if we replaced the plastic latches with metal they would stay closed?
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:52 PM

The thing is unless the latches are broken that alone would not cure the problem. The plastic ones will ware faster and this fact would lessen the sealing ability because of the additional play. that being the case would not explain the doors poping open.The metal latches are the same physical size and it would be a job and cost that in the end may verywell not solve the problem.
The only thing I can invision, is there has to be something out of spec. All of them acting the same way is just hard the get a grip on. I could under stand a number of them having a problen IF a side had been damaged at some point,,but even then that would reguire the entire length of one side. That would of been one big crunch.
I think we need to look at this from a different point of view.

Ok all the cargo doors pop open when on the road.
The latch pins should extend out and be about even with the edge of the cargo. that is as far as you can extend then and still open the doors with out catching on something else.
The catches should line up with center of the pins. An example--- IF the pin extends out 3/4in from it mounting and the latch is 1/2in. wide then there would be 1/8in. at the inside and 1/8in. on the outer end of the pin beyond the latch bracket. Granted this would be the perfect placement,but that never is going to happen in the real world. The more of the bracket the pin can extend under the better up to the point,where when you pull on the handel(s) to open the cargo door; they need to clear to alow it to open.
Each pin has a spring that forces it outward and when you pull the handel you compress the spring thus clearing the latch bracket. There are two latches per door and one could have a bad spring,but the other side will force its pin outward and the other pin will be forced out with it. If your door have only one pin and the spring is broken. Then vibration will work the pin out from under the latching bracket and pop goes the door. The problem is that if the door is locked, then the handel if in the down / in the travel position and locked it should stay closed.
I have no history of the coach and if a prior was like a gorilla, then all I can say all bets are off.
I do need to keep my latches tight and the pins lubed,along with the lock cylinders to keep things working.

Hope the thoughts help.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:33 AM

When the plastic latches brake it is quite a chore to get the door open. Changing to the mteal latches is a good idea. Check the wear pattern on your latches. Your strikers may be too low and only the tip of the latch is catching. Vibrations going down the road can cause them to open. Ajust the strikers and see if that helps.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:17 PM

This has been a problem since the coach was new. In 2005 the dealer installed little black (looks like rubber) shims under the catches to move them out. The doors are very hard to close, we use our knees to push the doors shut . None of the plastic plungers are broken and do not seem to be worn.

We just never know when a door will open and of course it opens up completely because of the (air shock cylinders?). I have often wondered if the air temperature change has anything to do with it.They have come open more often in early am and late in the day just before sundown. Bumpy dirt roads have not made them open. We are very hesitant about drilling holes on the outside to install gate latches or hasps and were hoping someone could come up with an aternative fix for us.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:39 AM

Could be one of two different problems - first, the tongue of the latch might not be engaging the hook far enough, allowing for the natural shifting of the door during transit to disengage the latch.
Secondly, a combination of the pressure of the door seals, and a slightly worn tongue of the latch might allow the latch to "not" fully latch upon closing. Then again, it might be a combination of the two.

If this were mine, I would empty a compartment, and with a "trusted" assistant, allow the assistant to close the door with me inside the compartment - then attempt to force the door open. This would tell you more of the story.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:45 AM

Good thought WillTroy.

Be sure you give your assistant a good flash light, so they can look at the latch to see if it is fully engaged.

If you can, open up the cover to your latches check to see if they are moving all the way up and down. If not WD-40 to clean them and then a good silicone lubricant.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 04:40 PM

Very good suggestions that we never thought of doing. We're on it. Thanks so much.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:51 PM

Hi Baglady,

We have a 2000 American Eagle that sometimes does the same thing on the swing-up bay doors, especially the battery bay door. I recently discovered that the latch rod between the rear latch and the latch handle on that door was in a bind against a rubber gasket. Once I moved (bent) the rod to where it should have been, the opening problem has stopped. One other thing, once a door like that is down I need to hold the door latch handle in the open position and lean against the door with my leg to compress the gasket before I let go of the handle. Then I reach down and pull on each end of the door to assure that both latches are engaged. Often one or the other is not properly engaged. When both latches are engaged, I've not had a door come open.

One other thing. When I first got the unit the left front bay door didn't seem to close properly. Upon investigation I found that the previous owner had installed the shelf in that compartment. The shelf did not allow sufficient clearance for the door handle housing, thus the door had to be forced closed. There is now sufficient clearance and the door closes normally, latches correctly and stays closed.

Also I'm curious about the "cargo" that has been lost. Is there anything in the bays that is against against the doors when they are closed? Hope not, because if the doors are being impacted by items in the bays, it's possible that the latch rods are being moved, causing the latches to come open. Where possible I keep all my "cargo" in plastic storage boxes and I've never had one of them fall out after a door opened.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

How do you get a cargo door open with a broken latch?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

mslin95,

Welcome to the Forum.

I had several break. The first was a booger. After the first I found the secret. The latch when closed goes over a bar at the bottom of the compartment. It is secured by two 5/16 nuts (7/8 wrench) one on either side. Now before your break, take a look to see if you have access to the nuts from the inside of the compartment or under the coach. I have access caps in the floor of my compartments and I was able to get my hand in with a wrench and remove the nuts. When you have removed both nuts you can then pull the door open and have access to the latch. I replaced mine before I found out about the metal latches. But I plan to purchase several to have just in case they break again.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Sounds to me like the latch and the bracket it locks into are not compatible with each other. I have a 2003 Fleetwood Discovery and noticed that even after shutting the compartment doors and locking them for travel, when I reached our destination sometimes one side of a door was not latched. I checked and found 6 broken latches and several loose brackets.

I replaced the latches which was pretty easy and then put spring nuts (or speed nuts) on the back side of the screws holding the brackets on. This tightened everything up and I don't have any more trouble. Hope you find a solution for yours.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

On our 2000 Allegro Bus after our last trip we have discovered two doors do not latch. The latch is inside the end of the door with two screws holding the tongue assembly in place. The inside of the door is rivited on.

My question is this to anyone who has that type latch, when you take the tongue assembly out will we loose the bar, (rod) that is attached to the center pull lever on the outside of the door? Will it fall down inside the door? I am assuming it is a rod or bar by the way it feels when using.

Adjusting tongues has already been done.

Should I start drilling rivets to get into the mechanism?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

Sorry to all. One thing I forgot to mention, "LUBRICATE". It is a great help to lubricate all moving piviot point on you latches. A good white Lit. or silicone lube are good.

Herman
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Hi Charles, The bay or pod doors are all very similar. Could you post a picture or two on your thread for all to view.
You might give this link a look. many of the latches look like this. I have others but my files obviously need some organizing.

http://www.trimarkco...ntcategoryid=20

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

The thing is unless the latches are broken that alone would not cure the problem. The plastic ones will ware faster and this fact would lessen the sealing ability because of the additional play. that being the case would not explain the doors poping open.The metal latches are the same physical size and it would be a job and cost that in the end may verywell not solve the problem.
The only thing I can invision, is there has to be something out of spec. All of them acting the same way is just hard the get a grip on. I could under stand a number of them having a problen IF a side had been damaged at some point,,but even then that would reguire the entire length of one side. That would of been one big crunch.
I think we need to look at this from a different point of view.

Ok all the cargo doors pop open when on the road.
The latch pins should extend out and be about even with the edge of the cargo. that is as far as you can extend then and still open the doors with out catching on something else.
The catches should line up with center of the pins. An example--- IF the pin extends out 3/4in from it mounting and the latch is 1/2in. wide then there would be 1/8in. at the inside and 1/8in. on the outer end of the pin beyond the latch bracket. Granted this would be the perfect placement,but that never is going to happen in the real world. The more of the bracket the pin can extend under the better up to the point,where when you pull on the handel(s) to open the cargo door; they need to clear to alow it to open.
Each pin has a spring that forces it outward and when you pull the handel you compress the spring thus clearing the latch bracket. There are two latches per door and one could have a bad spring,but the other side will force its pin outward and the other pin will be forced out with it. If your door have only one pin and the spring is broken. Then vibration will work the pin out from under the latching bracket and pop goes the door. The problem is that if the door is locked, then the handel if in the down / in the travel position and locked it should stay closed.
I have no history of the coach and if a prior was like a gorilla, then all I can say all bets are off.
I do need to keep my latches tight and the pins lubed,along with the lock cylinders to keep things working.

Hope the thoughts help.

In the first post the OP said one or two doors come open. The latches may have been miss located when they were installed and don’t have enough of the latch catching the structure so they come open when the body flexes.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

I have a 2005 Revolution and have had the left front cargo door flip open twice while driving down the Interstate.

I find that if I lock the bay doors before pulling out on the road I don't have a problem.

I too think it is a latch problem and locking seems to secure the latch.
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