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#1 GM.Engineer

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:48 PM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)?

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)?

6. What is your preferred cruising speed?

7. Do you use a rock shield?

8. Where does the rock shield mount (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)?



Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 03:29 PM

GM,
Welcome to the Forum. And thank you for looking to FMCA to answer your questions.

1) 12,000 to 15,000 miles per year.
2) Tow vehicle 46,000 miles - Coach 57,000 miles.
3) Some where around 150,000 miles
4) Can be up to several hours.
5) Again several hours.
6) 65 to 70 MPH
7) No
8) N/A

Hope this helps your survey.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

1. 3,000
2. 10,000
3. 50,000
4. 2.5 hrs
5. 3-4 time per day
6. 65 mph
7. yes
8. Under back of coach.

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Looking for a small SUV, auto, power passanger seat, approx 3,000 lbs.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:51 PM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?
6,000 - 10,000
2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?
5,000 (2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon - 35K on Prior 2007 Grand Cherokee)
3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?
30,000 - 40,000
4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)
2 - 3 Hrs
5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)
1
6. What is your preferred cruising speed?
65MPH
7. Do you use a rock shield?
Not yet, but plan to.
8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)
Towbar


Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


For your input to the process, I personally would not purchase a vehicle to tow that:

Had to have the ignition key turned to accessory or
needed fuses to be pulled or
had to be towed at a speed slower than the speed limit on interstate highways or
had to be cranked every several hours or
required a driveline disconnect!
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

Nick at GM

Long time member and reader of the forum, but first entry. This is a very important subject to RVer's and I thank you for asking for first hand info.

1) 8,000 to 10,000 miles a year

2) 41,500 miles, Coach 48,500 miles

3) 100,000 Miles

4) Varys, usually every 2 to 4 hours

5) Most stops are for 15 to 30 minutes

6) 60-65 MPH

7) Yes Roadmaster Tow Defender Screen. Coach is equipped with full width Mud Flap

8) On towbar
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:04 PM


For your input to the process, I personally would not purchase a vehicle to tow that:

Had to have the ignition key turned to accessory or
needed fuses to be pulled or
had to be towed at a speed slower than the speed limit on interstate highways or
had to be cranked every several hours or
required a driveline disconnect!


Frank, one of the nice things about the newer Chevrolets and GMC is that there is no steering wheel lock. If you are towig their 4 X 4 all you have to do is put the transfer case in neutral, put the selector in Park and remove the key. And if you are really smart you have a M & G Brake and do not need to have power to a brake in the toad.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:59 AM

Same thing with the jeep wranglers..I think after 07 or08 they don't put wheel locks in them anymore...My 2011 wrangler doesn't have one I no that for sure...Pull the transfer case into netural, hook up tow bar and Go...Too easy!!!
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:29 AM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?
8-10,000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?
49000(08 Saturn Vue) 62000 Dutch Star Class A DP

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?
100,000

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)
3-4 hrs

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)

1-2
6. What is your preferred cruising speed?
63-65

7. Do you use a rock shield?
No

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)
NA



Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:05 PM

1. 10k-15k
2. 100,000+
3. 200,000+
4. 15-30 minutes
5. 1-2
6. 58-62
7. yes
8. 1/2 inch camp sleep pad across the front held in place with 6 ft bungee cords.

I tow a 99 Silverado 1/2 ton 6 cyl 5 speed.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:58 PM

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?
7,000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?
38,000 (2009 Silverado,crew cab 4x4).

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?
100,000-125,000

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)
3 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)
About 3 times in 400-500 miles span

6. What is your preferred cruising speed?
65

7. Do you use a rock shield?
Yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)
Bumper. Road Master,
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:03 PM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? 7,000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? 12,000 (2011 CRV)

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? UNLIMITED

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel) THREE HRS.

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel) EVERY THREE HRS...CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO THREE

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 60 TO 62

7. Do you use a rock shield? YES

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type) BOLTED UNDER REAR OF MH



Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:14 AM

Hello thats why I bought a GM for their 4 wheel down towing. Towed a 2005 GMC 2500HD & just traded it in on a 2008 Avalanche LTZ

Tow about 8 thousand mile a year
98 thousand KMS
Not trading just bought it used
Stop about every 2 hrs
Stop about every 2 hrs
Travel between 60 65 MPH
Full Frontal Bra
Attached to the Truck (remove every now and then for cleaning)
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:56 AM

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?
10-15000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?
90,000

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?
90,000 (Just bought a new tow vehicle last week).

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)
3-5 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)

One
6. What is your preferred cruising speed?
The speed limit

7. Do you use a rock shield?
No

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)
N/A
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:32 PM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? ~10,000 miles

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? ~15,000miles

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? Trade every 5 years without regard to milage

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel) 2 to 4 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel) 2 to 4 hours

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 62 mph

7. Do you use a rock shield? no

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type) NA



Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:52 PM

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? 12,000 miles

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? 116,788

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? 200,000+

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel) I guess about 3 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel) 4-5 times per driving day (could be 12 to 14 hours)

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 62 MPH

7. Do you use a rock shield? Yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type) Towbar
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:49 AM

Hi Nick,

Thank you for requesting this info.

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly?
4,000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now?
42,000

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle?
As many as we can! (120k)

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)
Three hours or less

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)
Same 3 hours or less

6. What is your preferred cruising speed?
65 MPH

7. Do you use a rock shield?
Yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)
Full width shield mounted below the towbar


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:59 AM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? 8,000-9,000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? 12,000

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? About 10 years not mileage

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel) 2-3 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel) 2-3 hours

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 67 mph

7. Do you use a rock shield? Yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type) On the towbar close to the auto



Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:46 AM

Thank you for all the feedback provided to date! Very useful to ensure we are aligned with customer expectations.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

My name is Nick. I work on the new 6T30/40/45/50 fwd 6 speeds at General Motors within transmission development. In particular, I'm in charge of validation for dinghy towing.


I'm after some feedback, regardless of vehicle make, about the vehicle you currently dinghy tow (or have towed in the past).

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? 8000 to 12000

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? 8000 (2012 Honda Fit)

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? 80-100K

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel) 10-15 minutes for fuel, 5 minutes for restroom

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel) every four hours

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 65-70 mph

7. Do you use a rock shield? yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount? (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type) Towbar

I was shopping for a Chevy Cruise when I found out at the 2011 Hershey RV show that they could no longer be flat towed. I bought my first non GM car (Honda) so I could flat tow. Traded in my Impala but still have my Suburban.

Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, which will help me better tune our internal testing requirements to better meet and exceed actual customer usage.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:24 PM

1. How many miles do you typically dinghy tow your vehicle yearly? 6,000 miles

2. What is the total tow mileage you have on your vehicle now? 17,328 miles

3. What is the total tow mileage you expect to put on the vehicle before you upgrade to a new vehicle? 100,000 miles

4. When towing, what is the average amount of time between stops? (be it restroom or fuel)? 4 hours

5. How often do you stop for a period of 10 min or more? (be it restroom, stretch, eat, fuel)? 4 hours

6. What is your preferred cruising speed? 60 MPH

7. Do you use a rock shield? Yes

8. Where does the rock shield mount (bumper,towbar,dinghy, or... so what type)? Towbar
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