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Buying a Tiffin Allegro


Best Answer huffypuff, 26 January 2014 - 01:02 AM

I only have 45 years of experience as a mechanic and 30 of them with fleet so I know what I talk about.  I was being kind when I said maintenance of a diesel was about the same as a gasser.  Maintenance of a diesel is less than a a gasser.  When I worked at fleet we did oil changes on fleet gasser twice as much as diesel.  The fuel and air filters on gassers 15,000 miles, 30,000 miles on diesel.  The EPA is the reason that oil change is extended to 7500 miles.  There is so many engine going bad that dealers such as GM change the oil free for the customers for the first 50,000 miles.  They have a certain certified oil that must be used or warranty is void.   When working at fleet the gassers were best to get rid of just over 100,000 miles, the diesel last over twice the mileages.  

 

I talked to owners with v-10 fords and best they get is 6 mpg in a 28 footer, ouch! 

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#1 Chuckconnie

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:47 AM

Am considering the purchase of a 2011 Tiffin Allegro 34TGA on a Ford chassis. Am thinking someone out there owns one and would like to know any information they could give me. Do they like or dislike  the unit and for what reasons as I cannot find any reviews on it.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:35 PM

I have never owned a 34TGA but I just purchased a 2007 35TSA on the workhorse chasis with the Chevy engine. Previously I owned a 1998 Allegro Bus Diesel Pusher. I cannot speak to your particular model but I can tell you that you will not be disappointed with a Tiffin motor home. They build an outstanding durable product that will take a beating. I have been driving a diesel for the past 12 years and have never driven a gas long distance. I will be driving 600 miles next week which will be my test of how different a gas is to a diesel.


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#3 Chuckconnie

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:41 PM

I have never owned a 34TGA but I just purchased a 2007 35TSA on the workhorse chasis with the Chevy engine. Previously I owned a 1998 Allegro Bus Diesel Pusher. I cannot speak to your particular model but I can tell you that you will not be disappointed with a Tiffin motor home. They build an outstanding durable product that will take a beating. I have been driving a diesel for the past 12 years and have never driven a gas long distance. I will be driving 600 miles next week which will be my test of how different a gas is to a diesel.

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I am going from a Workhorse chassis to a Ford. I liked the Workhorse and friends of mine had Fords but on hills the Workhorse outperformed them and I got better fuel mileage. Too bad they do not manufacture them anymore. Now for gas units you get a Ford.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:43 PM

I have never owned a 34TGA but I just purchased a 2007 35TSA on the workhorse chasis with the Chevy engine. Previously I owned a 1998 Allegro Bus Diesel Pusher. I cannot speak to your particular model but I can tell you that you will not be disappointed with a Tiffin motor home. They build an outstanding durable product that will take a beating. I have been driving a diesel for the past 12 years and have never driven a gas long distance. I will be driving 600 miles next week which will be my test of how different a gas is to a diesel.

None of my business but why are you switching to gas?


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

I learned a lot with this post!


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:55 PM

You may want to go to the Tiffin forum for information on their models ...

I do not have any information on your question - had a Ford V10 on my 2007 Winnebago 36 Voyage and liked it but went to the DP just with a little more size, power for the mountains, etc... but the V10 worked fine for Yellowstone trip and all over midwest...


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:42 PM

We have an Allegro of 2007 vintage. It's a 28DA. It has the Ford V-10 and we tow a 94 Honda Accord with it. Last year we put more than 10k miles on it without issues. The engine performs and we went over the Rockies with it just fine.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 04:52 PM

That would be my question, why trade from a Diesel Pusher? I had a Workhorse with the 8.1 gas engine took it all up the west coast and down though Yellowstone. It did fine but the fuel like to have broke me. This diesel pusher I have now can round trip Dallas from Odessa and still have a quarter tank of fuel. The old Workhorse I would fill it in Odessa then again in Sweetwater, then in Dallas and same on the way home. My brother has the V-10 in his and it get rid of the fuel about the same pace. This Tiffin bus I have now I wouldn't trade for any gas burning engine.

 

We enjoyed the other motor home but didn't know any better.  Just Saying..


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 08:45 PM

That would be my question, why trade from a Diesel Pusher? I had a Workhorse with the 8.1 gas engine took it all up the west coast and down though Yellowstone. It did fine but the fuel like to have broke me. This diesel pusher I have now can round trip Dallas from Odessa and still have a quarter tank of fuel. The old Workhorse I would fill it in Odessa then again in Sweetwater, then in Dallas and same on the way home. My brother has the V-10 in his and it get rid of the fuel about the same pace. This Tiffin bus I have now I wouldn't trade for any gas burning engine.

 

We enjoyed the other motor home but didn't know any better.  Just Saying..

Now I will agree a  Diesel Pusher Tiffin bus as u say u have is a far cry from from a gasser unit for sure BUT its also  new to new  $175K more to buy AND A bus only gets 8MPG average so even if your gasser got 6.5 or 7 based on gas being at least 60 cents agallon cheaper its pretty hard to say your saving any fuel money at all like NONE

so really what are u saying??  No doubt there is no comparison in ride,road noise,storage,power,quality of build etc but there is no fuel cost saving at all NONE


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:54 PM

Well......all I can tell you is this pusher goes a lot farther on the fuel than the gasser I had. My brother has a Ford and it uses pretty close to what the other one did. I have never figured the fuel mileage on the coach but it is better than the gasser that's all I was saying. Not worth arguing over just get in one of the coaches with a 8.1 check it for your self. I had it at the dealer making sure the engine was right. Put on the edge kit headers ex. programmer and still would not pass a gas station. I'm HAPPY,HAPPYHAPPY,


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 07:54 PM

The diesel likely has a bigger fuel tank.  Oil changes cost 5 times as much or more. Everything costs more.

 

A gasser gets 6.5-7.5   and a diesel get maybe 8.5 at best .......and the diesel fuel costs 25% more.

 

So in reality to fuel a diesel could possibly cost more than a gasser.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 08:36 PM

I got 9.5 with my DP 8.3L ISC towing my Jeep Liberty diesel which adds 4500 lbs to 33000 loaded weight of the MH.  The secret is to cruise about 1500 rpm just above max toque band so your not lugging it.  Above 1500 rpm you will just waste fuel.   Oil change on diesel could go as much as 15,000 miles, gasser 3000 miles so that cancel out oil changing more.  Diesel gets 30 percent better mileage than gasser and if the gasser uses premium fuel cost more than diesel.  You can get a Pilot or Flying J card for discount on diesel.  Maintenance on diesel pusher fuel and air filters every 20,000 miles no different than gasser.  Change spark plugs on a Ford V-10 and you think you are being charged for an overhaul.  No need to ask me how I know.   


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:49 PM

You are incorrect on all counts. Ford gasser gets 7.5 mpg towing, Ford says to change the oil every 7500 miles. So where does the 3000 mile figure come from?   Spark plugs at least 100 thousand miles as per Ford. So most RV owners will never change spark plugs.

 

Diesel fuel also costs .65 - 1.00 more per gallon.  No one who wants to keep their diesel motor in great shape would wait 15000 mile between oil changes.

 

I disagree when you say maintenance on a diesel cost the same as a gasser.

 

YOU CAN ALSO GET Flying J/ Pilot discount card on a gasser too.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:47 PM

My dp gets 10-11 mpg towing a 1500 Silverado.  Diesel fuel cost about 50 cents more per gallon today in Las Vegas, $3.22 TO $3.72.  40% better mileage.  I had my oil analyzed at 15k and at 29k and it was still good to go but I changed it anyway.  I use Rotella T6 synthetic.


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#15 huffypuff

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 01:02 AM   Best Answer

I only have 45 years of experience as a mechanic and 30 of them with fleet so I know what I talk about.  I was being kind when I said maintenance of a diesel was about the same as a gasser.  Maintenance of a diesel is less than a a gasser.  When I worked at fleet we did oil changes on fleet gasser twice as much as diesel.  The fuel and air filters on gassers 15,000 miles, 30,000 miles on diesel.  The EPA is the reason that oil change is extended to 7500 miles.  There is so many engine going bad that dealers such as GM change the oil free for the customers for the first 50,000 miles.  They have a certain certified oil that must be used or warranty is void.   When working at fleet the gassers were best to get rid of just over 100,000 miles, the diesel last over twice the mileages.  

 

I talked to owners with v-10 fords and best they get is 6 mpg in a 28 footer, ouch! 


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 08:36 AM

Guys,

 

Gas vs Diesel discussion ALWAYS get a little heated-- strong feelings on both sides.

 

Please remember common forum etiquette -- it is OK to challenge other's FACTS or OPINIONS.  It is NOT OK to make personal attacks.

 

There is a place in the RV world for both fuel types, and there are excellent reasons for both.  The fact that it is a better choice for YOU does not necessarily make it a better choice for someone else.  But, that applies to a lot more than just type of fuel!

 

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:56 AM

Sorry if it appeared if I attacked anyone but I also got an nasty email from same person otherwise I would of left the thread alone.  I also must note that this thread went a different way than the original posted intended.  


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM

Huffypuff-appreciate all your info plus opinions. Don't let the uniformed get to you. Thanks.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:57 PM

Huffy Puffy, thanks for your insights. I went with a 300 Cummins in a Tiffin FRED over a V-10. I get 10 MPG without Toad and 8 MPG with toad. Being a FRED it is a little noisey up front under a load and the Gen Set is in the rear. The Gen Set in the rear makes it a little hard to sleep sometimes. Next MH will be  a Pusher.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:02 PM

Huffy-Puffy you are correct.  Fact are Facts, Salesman are not. Thank-you for your insight.  Just one comment for others out there whom may be confused over this thread. 

 

When you are driving look around and what do you see on the road????  Any vehicle carrying any kind of goods, other than passengers i.e. freight, furniture, appliances, beds, food, etc. outside of RV's has a diesel engine.  Why do you think that is???  Diesel engines cost more up front to buy yet on the highway you see many vehicles with diesel engines especially trucks, long haul trucks, etc. Why do you think there are more diesel engine carrying heavy loads than gasoline engines?  Do you know there are more BTU's in a gallon of diesel than in a gallon of gasoline, that a fact, pure chemistry.  Diesel is more environmentally friendly than gasoline. Diesel is less expensive to refined.  Why does diesel cost more than gasoline?  Years ago diesel was cheaper than the cheapest gas.  But now it is more expensive, simple economic - supply and demand,  Europe and other countries use more diesel than we do and they pay more for it so who do you think the major oils are selling there diesel too??  Not us.  

 

The decision to buy a gas engine over a diesel engine is not about the cost of the fuel. From a technical viewpoint I would base the decision on the type of vehicle, the weight of the vehicle and what the vehicle will be carrying most of the time.  RV owners tend to carry everything including the kitchen sink. If you are buying a Class C or B gas may be a better choice, if you are buying a Class A then diesel is a better choice. Note Diesel engine passenger car are making a comeback in America with more efficiency than gas and better for the environment.  

 

There are pros and cons for both fuel types just know that the EPA is more for diesel than for gasoline, both fuels are made from the same crude oil. Gasoline cost more to refine.


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