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Everything posted by tkbowers
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Kay, The ATS relay drop has happened only once since I had my generator repaired almost a year ago. Prior to this repair, I was having a similar problem, but with much more frequency. However, when the generator ran properly, voltages hovered around 120 VAC. This low voltage condition was a known issue with my particular model, and was caused by operating it in high humidity conditions. I attached a copy of the Onan support bulletin for reference. The repair was successful, but I noticed that normal voltages were now in the range of 110 to 112 VAC. I was told not to worry about it and anything above 108 VAC was acceptable. You've given me a lot of good information. I use my motorhome every month, will observe and keep an eye on things, and perhaps update this thread. Thanks again. Tom Onan Product Support Bulletin 637.pdf
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Thank you for your reply!
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Kay, Now I understand, measure voltage upstream of the ATS. I'll be dry camping at Quartzite next month and will have many opportunities to do this. Thank you!
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Thank you for the information on my ATS. My generator runs at 1,800 rpm. Please explain your statement "...,also insure the ATS is not in line for testing."
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I will be traveling from Northern California to Quartzite, Arizona next month. Are there sources there for filling potable water tanks? I prefer to travel with less than a full tank just to keep my weight down. Tom 1994 Foretravel U-240
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I'm responding to posts from a number of individuals. Yes, I used a hand-held digital voltmeter. If the voltage is electronically controlled, I assume that means that it is not adjustable. The generator engine appears to run fine. New brushes were installed this past February, but no mention on the invoice of polishing the commutator. How do you polish this component?
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I have an Onan Marquis 6500LP generator, Model 6.5NHMFA26115C, S/N A953989409 (electronic ignition) in my motorhome with just under 1,000 logged hours. What is involved in bumping up the output voltage? While dry camping this month, I was charging my batteries, and the automatic transfer switch dropped out for about a minute not long after starting the generator. It re-engaged on its own at which time charging appeared to proceed normally. The output voltage on my generator generally runs a bit low (110 to 112 VAC), and I'm thinking that a momentary dip below this output may have caused the interruption. I replaced the transfer switch (Esco ES50M-65N) in June of 2014 and assume that this equipment is still functioning properly. Thank you. Tom 1994 Foretravel U-240
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I would like to update everyone on my refrigerator issue. Last week I ordered a replacement power module ($229) and installed it yesterday. I started the refrigerator and let it run overnight. It was still running when I checked it this morning, so I think my problem is solved. Thanks again for your help! Tom 1994 Foretravel U-240
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Thanks everyone! The cable checked out okay using my ohmmeter. I'll keep you posted.
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Dometic claims that they do not have a tech support group and referred me to my local service centers. If one is to believe the error code, the problem should be either the display, the power module, or the cable connecting them. I tested the cable and all three conductors checked out okay.
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My Dometic refrigerator, model RM3762RBX purchased August 2011, stopped working. I woke up this morning to error code EO (No communication between display and power module). I have verified adequate voltage at the unit, plus ground connections and fuses appear to be good. Three conductors (brown, black and red) connect the display and the power module. My next step is to test resistance of these conductors. If that checks out okay, I'm planning on ordering a new power module ($200) and/or display ($120). I could just order the power module first and see if that corrects the problem. Something tells me that component is more likely to fail than the display. Suggestions? Does my thought process make sense? My local RV repair person charges $30 to show up and $100 per hour. I assume he marks up for parts too. Experience has taught me that costs escalate quickly whenever I hire "pros" to work on my motorhome. Thank you. Tom 1994 Foretravel U-240
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Wanted to let you know that I ran a new conductor for my backup lights. I verified no more blown fuses when I put the transmission into reverse! Thanks everyone for your help. Tom
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Thanks Herman. Brett is correct, I'm having an issue with the black wire. More tinkering today and will keep you posted.
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Thanks Rocky. My wiring diagram shows no devices other than the back up lights.
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LewEngle, I like your idea. However, wiring, tubing, and piping are bundled very tightly in a raceway running lengthwise in the basement. I'm reluctant to disturb these lines too much for fear of creating a problem in another circuit or system. My vehicle is 22 years old. I disconnected both tail light assembly plugs. To my disappointment, again the fuse blew when I put the transmission in reverse. This tells me that the short is downstream of the relay and upstream of the plugs. Brett mentioned that there is a wiring harness further upstream of the tail light plugs. I found this device on the wiring diagram and as a next step will attempt to locate it on my coach.
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I took Brett's advice and swapped solenoid valves today. It took a good 6 hours of my day with numerous trips back home and to the hardware store, but it appears to be working. Thanks everyone.
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Yesterday I installed a new Safe-T-Alert combination CO and propane alarm. It came with a solenoid valve that shuts off in the event of an alarm condition. I have not yet replaced with old valve with the new one. The new alarm appears to be working with the existing valve. However, installation instructions state "Do not connect to an existing installed solenoid." They don't say why. I'll swap out the old valve if necessary, but would rather not unless there is a genuine safety issue here. Any thoughts?
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Thanks! I understand.
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Good suggestion Brett. I think I've seen the gang plug but could not get the darn thing apart. I will try again. What is a "direct short?" How would water in the receptacle cause a short to ground?
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I have a short in the circuit for my back-up lights. The 10 amp fuse for this 12 volt circuit blows every time I put the transmission in reverse. After doing some testing, I believe that the short is downstream of the relay. I've tried to find the problem area with no luck, and believe that I should just abandon the existing conductor and run a new one from the relay, splicing into the existing line somewhere near the lights (back of the coach). I was unable to find markings on the existing conductor, but it appears to be 10 or 12 gauge. I've checked various wire sizing charts and get wildly different recommendations from one to the other...anywhere from 4 to 16 gauge. What percent voltage drop is acceptable for this type of circuit? I've seen anything from 2 percent (critical) to 10 percent (non-critical). I know that I could simply purchase new wire to match existing, but would like to verify this decision with some "higher power." I drive a 36 foot, 1994 Foretravel U-240, and estimate that the length of run for this circuit should not exceed 40 feet. Thank you in advance. Tom Sonoma County, CA
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Thanks Herman. I don't know if it's original equipment. The existing detector is a Volta and was made by Hydro Therm. I spoke to the parent company Atwood, and they indicated that the Volta is a very old model. This system is unique because it is linked to a normally closed solenoid valve on the propane tank. As far as I can tell, Safe-T-Alert is the only detector out there that supports this configuration. Shutting down the propane during an alarm condition seems like a good idea to me. The Safe-T-Alert system also supports multiple detectors. I would like to add one to the bedroom in addition to the galley.
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I believe that my batteries are in tip top shape. I closely monitor house battery voltage when traveling and always store the rig with batteries fully charged and disconnected. What brand monitors do you recommend?
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I drive a 1994 Foretravel U-240. The Volta CO/Propane detector has started making a chirping sound, one chirp every +/- 45 seconds. This is an intermittent problem. Usually one of the lights (CO or Propane) illuminates when this occurs. This morning both lit up but eventually went off once the chirping stopped. This happened a few weeks ago while driving from the Sierras to the SF Bay Area. The propane does not shut off like it does during a full-blown alarm condition. I checked connections for all propane appliances and found no leaks after spraying with a soapy solution. I suspect that this hard-wired system is original to my coach. I cannot find any thing online regarding Volta Technologies other than a kit for sale on Ebay. I need suggestions for next steps. Thank you. Tom
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Thanks Brett. I will check on this tomorrow. Tom
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Here's an update. I removed and rebuilt the pressure regulator (Impco Model J) on my generator. The $20 kit included gaskets, primary seat, secondary lever, and diaphragms. The first thing I noticed when disassembling the unit was that the screws on the secondary cover were not much more than hand tight. By comparison, the screws on the primary cover were much tighter. Once disassembled, I found very little oil but considerable grit inside, especially around the primary seat. I thoroughly cleaned all metal parts, then reassembled, paying particular attention to the distance between the secondary lever and the body casting. The instructions specified 1/32 inch. This required several times removing the lever from the body, bending it slightly, then reinstalling. I did not verify, but also suspect that the old lever was badly out of adjustment. Once assembled and hooked up, the generator started up within a few seconds of cranking and ran smoothly. I came back the next morning, and once again, it started right up. I will install a more direct ground to the chassis, but in the short term, I removed all existing connections in and around the generator, cleaned with a wire brush, and reattached. After more than $3,000 spent and many months of frustration, I believe that I've finally licked my problem!