jleamont Report post Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 10:42 AM, WILDEBILL308 said: Yes it is. It is nice of you to order some of these engines in so you could test them for us. What HP are they set up for? Bill 450 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted December 12, 2019 Bill, it would be more cost effective to buy a new coach with the 450. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildebill308 Report post Posted December 12, 2019 6 hours ago, jleamont said: 450 Ok explain to me why they are set up for such low output? I am not in the business but it seems like a big heavy engine for such low output when it could be 605 and 2050 torque. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted December 12, 2019 12 speed transmission direct drive 252 rears. It will pull 80,000 all over the northeast at 68 MPH if I had to take a guess 7.5 MPG, plus it’s more aerodynamic. The secret is the gears, if Motorhomes had those gears and aerodynamics we wouldn’t need so much HP and our MPGs would increase. Keep in mind it wasn’t that long ago you were on top of the world with 400 hp in a truck (the norm was 350 HP) but you had 13-18 speeds back then. I believe the torque is 1750, that’s also a big help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 1, 2020 So the ISX is found in many HR or Monaco Coaches. I can't seem to find if they were "all bad" or certain years. I am looking around the 2006 model years. Seems to be the newer years but just not sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 1, 2020 Joe, your correct...the X450 is up to 1,750 ft. lbs. now couple that with the Allison 10 speed, when it comes out...who needs a 605 hp ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, manholt said: Joe, your correct...the X450 is up to 1,750 ft. lbs. now couple that with the Allison 10 speed, when it comes out...who needs a 605 hp ? You wouldn’t! Don’t forget certain years all horsepower ranges had ceramic plunger failures that destroyed the engine. Bearings don’t do well with shards of ceramic where there should be oil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, RayIN said: Search the truckers forums for ISX engine problems, you will find more than on RVing forums. From reading those forums, the 650HP version had the valve problems. Then there is the problem with the EGR system clogging in the block A man on irv2.com with the 650 ISX has $53K of repairs on his engine so far.(there are others) The thread is easy to find under the Cummins topic. The ISX 650 HP RV version was discontinued as unreliable.https://www.capitalremanexchange.com/cummins-isx-history/ Thanks I did search some of the other trucker links and forums. Most of the topics don't give engine year or model which is why I am asking. Some do and seem to be higher year than 2006. Like the one you listed shows the engine was redesigned in 2010 which is after 2006. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 1, 2020 On 9/18/2019 at 9:27 AM, jleamont said: It was ALL ISX models that had problems, the problems depended on HP or year. The problems were different depending on HP. higher HP had Valve problems. They ALL had Ceramic Plunger issues with the injection pumps (this was based off of the engine year, not HP), camshaft issues and the list goes on.. below are a few examples on lower HP engines. Example 1; https://highwayandheavyparts.com/n-12896-cummins-isx-problems-and-failures.html Example 2; http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-163822.html Example 3; https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2409873 I have read all of this.. So "All" is every year the engine was created. Got it All bad..Yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted January 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Factor said: I have read all of this.. So "All" is every year the engine was created. Got it All bad..Yes? If you find one that had all of the updates and its a lower HP rated engine I wouldn't be concerned as long as it has proper maintenance records to back it all up and so you know it was taken care of. Personally, the Cummins ISM or ISL would be my preference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, jleamont said: had all of the updates and its a lower HP rated engine So they do have the ability to be corrected so they dont fail based on the original design. EG get rid of the ceramic plungers and bad valves? 3 hours ago, jleamont said: Cummins ISM or ISL Not the Detroit d60? Since you are an ADS which diesels over all do you prefer to work on? Do you have a good list vs a bad list you could share? I see you have a 2002 HR Imperial 40. I think currently I want a 2006 HR imperial pdq. If I can find one in say a yearish. Have you liked that coach? I can start a new topic as well if needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildebill308 Report post Posted January 2, 2020 Just as a follow up. I am still curious. "Ok explain to me why they are set up for such low output? I am not in the business but it seems like a big heavy engine for such low output when it could be 605 and 2050 torque." I would think the engine would be more efficient if it had more power and din't have to work as hard. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Factor said: Not the Detroit d60 Great engine! Series 60, I have never seen one in a Monaco product, that's why I didn't mention it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 2, 2020 Bill, what I was referring to was the X12 not X15. I would think that the X15 would weigh more than the X12. Why get a X15/450 hp? I have no clue! The X12 is a 400-500 hp engine & the 450 hp with 1750 ft. lbs. will run on the Allison 3000. Maybe with the X15, 450 hp, they can get the same torque as the 605 ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, jleamont said: Great engine! Series 60, I have never seen one in a Monaco product, that's why I didn't mention it. It was and option on 2006 Monaco Executive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 2, 2020 Correct, the same with Beaver! Not sure, but I think it was on Signature also. Monaco was the owner off Beaver, Holiday Rambler (got that from Harley Davidson), Safari, R-Vision, Road Master Chassis (bought that from Chrysler), McKenzi and it's own models! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildebill308 Report post Posted January 3, 2020 4 hours ago, manholt said: Bill, what I was referring to was the X12 not X15. I would think that the X15 would weigh more than the X12. Why get a X15/450 hp? I have no clue! The X12 is a 400-500 hp engine & the 450 hp with 1750 ft. lbs. will run on the Allison 3000. Maybe with the X15, 450 hp, they can get the same torque as the 605 ! Carl I was talking about the new ones Joe has coming in. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 3, 2020 Yes Bill, I know. The X12 is new also, then we can all wait until 2021, when the new, new comes out...EPA is still alive!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted January 3, 2020 X12 is not an option or those would have that engine after a few years pass and they proven themselves! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 3, 2020 Joe, if that's for real, then I'm as confused as Bill. Why would Cummings have 30+ engines listed, if you can't buy them? That makes no sense! Ray, I don't do Truck Forums...most of the info don't pertain to RV's, OTR's put more miles & more stress on a engine in 10 days, than we do in a year+! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jleamont Report post Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, manholt said: Why would Cummings have 30+ engines listed, if you can't buy them? That makes no sense! Chassis manufacture dictates that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 3, 2020 OK, got it ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunnyjeep Report post Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 10:36 AM, Factor said: So they do have the ability to be corrected so they dont fail based on the original design. EG get rid of the ceramic plungers and bad valves? Not the Detroit d60? Since you are an ADS which diesels over all do you prefer to work on? Do you have a good list vs a bad list you could share? I see you have a 2002 HR Imperial 40. I think currently I want a 2006 HR imperial pdq. If I can find one in say a yearish. Have you liked that coach? I can start a new topic as well if needed. We have a 2004 HR Imperial PDT (mid entry door instead of the front bus style door) with the 400 HP ISL, great coach, our issue is with the previous owner and his love of upgrading electronics and adding gadgets (wasn't too good at the installation of them tho), the last 6 months has been spent chasing one electrical gremlin after another, we're now looking at a 06 Monaco Chateau 600 HP to replace it with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted January 15, 2020 Is that a tag axle coach? I know the Dynasty is! 06 or older Monaco is good..Monaco owned Beaver, HR, Safari, CC & their own line! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Factor Report post Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 10:30 AM, Gunnyjeep said: 06 Monaco Chateau I would get the Detroit Series 60 if I could find it. @Gunnyjeep A Chateau is a great choice for a coach. I am leaning more toward a Dynasty. https://www.monacocoach.com/luxury-rv-brochures?y=2006 Engine options Roadmaster S-Series: Semi-Monocoque Chassis Cummins® ISM 500 HP Engine with Allison® 4000 MH 6-Speed World Transmission and Electronic Shifter Torque: (@1,300 RPM) 1,450 lbs./ft. Max. Net (Torque will be 1,550 lbs./ft. built after August 2005) Engine Displacement: 661”/ 11.0L Dual Fuel Fill 270 Amp Alternator Rear Axle Ratio: 4.30:1 Tires: 295/80R/22.5 Polished Aluminum Wheels Full-Cushion Air Glide Suspension with Ten Outboard Air Bags and Ten Bilstein® Shock Absorbers Air Suspension with Ping Tank Automatic Traction Control Air Disc Brake System with ABS Tag Axle with Anti-Lock Braking System Auto Slack Adjusters on Brakes Two-Stage Jacobs Engine Brake Pre-Wire for Supplemental Braking System Engine Block Heater with Switch on Dash Automatic Air Leveling System Undercoating 10,000 Lb. Hitch Receiver and 7/4-Way Trailer Plug Remote Inflation Connector OPTIONS Series 60 Detroit Diesel 515 HP Engine with Allison® 4000 MH 6-Speed World Transmission and Electronic Shifter; Torque: 1,650 lbs./ft.; Engine Displacement: 858” Cu. In. Cummins® ISX 525 HP Engine with Allison® 4000 MH 6-Speed World Transmission and Electronic Shifter; Torque: 1,650 lbs./ft.; Engine Displacement: 912” Cu. In. Cummins® ISX 600 HP Engine with Allison® 4000 MH 6-Speed World Transmission and Electronic Shifter; Torque: 1,850 lbs./ft.; Engine Displacement: 912” Cu. In. ADC RV 2-Position Adjustable Shock System Hydraulic Leveling System Dual Leveling System (Air/Hydraulic) Monaco Signature 2006.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
