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McBrian, Spare no expense and take her to a decent place with all the savings not using n2, I use nitrogen with the extra tire life can take my bride out very often. RverOnTheMove, Were talking semi 18 wheeler not passenger car or RV. 80k maybe on a set of big rig local truck with low end tires with all the scrubbing local truck tires gets. This long haul trucker owner operator team drives 6k miles per week, and document 300k to 350k on the driver tires average using Bridgestones with air for 15 years on 5 different trucks. They buy new a truck every 3-4 years when they get over a million miles. When using nitrogen with one set of tires got 475k using same psi, loads, drivers and route. The 475k tires were sold to a local trucker for in town use. Tire prices skyrocketed and they tried a set of Yokohomas and got 200k with air. They complained to the rep so were upgraded to premium Yokohomas and running those but going to buy new truck in a couple months. We will start N2 on their new truck and record results. In conclusion my hundreds of customers, friends, and family are satisfied with the results using N2. Finding dry air is not as prevalent as one thinks.

Tireman9, Thank You for your input and I respect your opinion. I think some of the claims seem outlandish too as far as mpg increase. If running Air run through a $16.00 harbor freight drier meets your needs then great. Bottomline N2 has worked for me and thousands others in daily or extreme applications worldwide vs compressed air (which is usually wet). I concur, dry inflation is key and using N2 is easier for me since I'm set up and cost is minimal. You would think wet air may hold longer in a tire being harder to pass through tire membranes but dry N2 holds longer. N2 in classic cars, bikes daily drivers etc works well but so could dry or wet air. Doing the big rigs is time consuming however an 18 wheeler I inflated with N2 got an extra estimated on the low end 150k extra on his tires see earlier post for details. Same brand of tires, same truck, same drivers, same loads and same route, believe or not were okay with that. Proper inflation is key which ever medium you prefer air wet or dry, N2, and some other posters have used CO2.

Tireman9 here is one study that I came across that is relating to rolling resistance and hopefully has some merit. I promote proper inflation whether air or N2 and have had better results with N2 being drier due to many shops not using industrial air drier. Both studies are the same but one is final report and one from the university site. http://etd.lib.clemson.edu/documents/1202498590/umi-clemson-1432.pdf http://getnitrogen.org/.../files/Clemson_NitrogenFilling_FinalReport.pdf I am not affiliated with any company selling N2 equipment, I buy my N2 from our gas vendor very reasonable for 99.999% pure N2 which can't get from N2 units sold for under 10k.

I agree at this point in time its a new concept and availability is scarce and cost is an issue. Hopefully will be the norm of inflation in future for free and not an upsell. Anyway good conversation and happy traveling to you RVerOnTheMove.

Good to hear from you again RVERONTHEMOVE. Pursuant to your last rebuttal Is synthetic oil better than regular? Not necessarily. Agree, but OE recommends for performance vehicles and others. Is bottled water better than tap? Not necessarily. Depending with chlorine level in tap (some higher than swimming pools) vs none with bottled. Is Starbucks better than Folgers? A matter of choice, not performance. Agree drink maybe 2 cups a day not a connoissuer . The reality is that "in an RV" (the reason we are all here) you will not notice a bit of difference between N2 air and atmospheric DRY air in the tires. Disagree better psi retention on the low end of 2 to 1 claims of 3 or 4 times better, and more benefits as per pdf attached files. My neighbor retired with a fleet of 50+ trucks a hundred year old company noticed better tracking down the road in his 38’ RV. And also in his daily driver. Your engine will not be able to tell the difference between regular or synthetic oils. Maybe so, a dyno test or engine life could be the jury. Since personal experiences are not relevant here are a few links. www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/programs/drexan_1.pdf www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/FordBaldwinResearchRaper.pdf www.getnitrogen.org/savebillions/files/Milestone.pdf Once again, this is my experience and hundreds of customers with satisfaction using N2 over compressed air. It seems not to pencil out on the chalkboard with some critics. If using good old compressed air or N2 check your PSI before you set out on a long drive at cold recommend pressure. The Beatles were told “The days of a 4 piece band was over”. What does that have to do tire PSI in RVs??

RVerOn TheMove, Thanks for the invite on this subject. Proper tire psi is paramount whether using air or high purity nitrogen. Introducing N2 at a level from 78% to 95% tests have shown with reduced moisture at the same PSI cold, He said and She said have noticed an improvement with better pressure retention and handling performance. Do you have someone you trust that can side by side matched psi for psi with at least 95% Nitrogen in tires whether it be a bike or a car and get their feedback? If any of you live in the Portland, Or metro area I will do for free or can find another N2 person that may do for free as well. Im not selling $10,000 N2 generators just an idea for better inflation media that I and many have experienced. Is synthetic oil better than regular, Is bottled water better than tap, Is Starbucks better than Folgers? There are many scientific studies beyond me and most of us that prove N2 is better than compressed air. Its your choice, use which ever you believe will satisfy your needs. tireman9 input for his wisdom and experience and seems to be an honest guy If your tires were filled with Nitrogen you can top them off with air as needed. If you want to pay for going from 79% Nitrogen to 95% Nitrogen it is your money.

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Nitrogen if overcharged or not offered free with new set of tires, then Nitrogen inflation could be seen as a scam. I respect all the science that many come to blogs to debunk the merit of nitrogen but I have installed nitrogen in hundreds of tires with satisfied users in many applications. Most tire and car manufacturers have tested and approve the use of nitrogen. Many local tire shops down play the benefits they, first don’t want to invest in a machine and want/need to sell tires. Michelin factory in Greenville, SC offers nitrogen inflation station for their employees. Costco offers nitrogen free when you purchase tires. Do you think they would invest 8-10k per machine at over 400+ tire locations if it didn’t have some merit? Costco self insures their tires and majority of people don’t check psi or rotate as recommended so they have found better performance less failures with nitrogen. Costco sells millions of tires per year. Jay Leno uses in his entire car collection, Google and watch the video. Lance Armstrong and other tour De France riders use Nitrogen. A bicycle tire with what little volume it has why would they go to the trouble if not for the benefits. Nissan GTR is shipped from factory with Nitrogen. Volvo has inflated all their spare tires with nitrogen for years. Most spare tires I have checked are severally underinflated never checked a Volvo yet though. My opinion and experience using Nitrogen has been positive. Yes regular air would do but I opt for the better inflation media. Nitrogen inflation is obviously not for everybody. I do a part time business a car cruises for over 5 years with positive feedback on better psi retention, handling improvement etc. Some have gone over 2 years with no psi loss where they would need to top off using air. I charge $20.00 for 4 tires and many times let customers try before they pay. I haven’t lost a sale yet due to Nitrogen not delivering enhanced performance. One of My best experiences is an independent trucker owner operator. He and his wife are a team that travel 5k every week long haul. Using same brand of tires they average 300 to 330k on driver tires. I put in nitrogen in a new set they got 475k. During that time he did not need to add any nitrogen or rotate tires as he did using air. The tire shop said he could sell the 475k tires to a local trucker and still had some life. I put in my neighbors riding lawnmower where he after winter had to air up tire and during use several times but now once a year with nitrogen. Wal-Mart has tested and converting their fleet to nitrogen. Many other trucking companies’ have done side by side test and have experienced better tire life, less failures and small mpg increase over air. Nitrogen out performs air whether in an airplane (federally mandated for safety), racecar, military vehicles, motorbike, truck or bicycle tire. Nitrogen inflation will the standard in the future and should be offered free hopefully. An option is to buy your own tank and regulator go in with a few friends and have filled at local welding supply company that delivers 99.999% nitrogen. Purge your tires twice down to about 5# on car tires 10# on truck tires so not to break the bead or hurt sidewall and top to recommended psi stated on vehicle manufacturers placard not max psi on tire which usually is 20-30% more and your done. Do the spare too I usually add extra 5# so when needed its ready to go.