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On 1/30/2018 at 2:14 PM, RedLdr1 said:Brett,
See Page 53 of this months magazine for the official FMCA B-Plus description
. The B+ description fits our motor home best but Forest River calls it a Class C.
There is a third type of water heater being used in Class B's, and smaller Class C units, now. We have the Truma Combi which is a combined water heater and furnace. It is designed to save space and weight and it does do that...
First the good:
It is an excellent furnace. In fairness we have small 25 foot unit, with no slide outs, so there isn't a lot to heat...
It is unbelievably programmable. Dual fuel sources (LP and 115VAC), what mix level of the fuel sources, fast tank recycle or Eco mode, On and Off Timer Programing for the furnace and water heater, temperature control for both, and more. It's very impressive for a RV system.
It heats water fairly well and has an excellent tank recycle time, roughly 10-15 minutes, when using both gas and electric in "Boost" mode.
Now the bad:
10 liters of hot water is all the tank holds...that is roughly 2.6 US gallons. When you have Truma Combi hot water management takes on a whole new meaning. For example do not run any hot water in the bathroom sink while the wife is in the shower.
Adding a Oxygenics BodySpa shower kit helped on the shower side....
Wayne, beautiful Class C coach... Yes, we looked at Forrest River when we were shopping.
Question, you said that you only have 10 litres which is about one half of a 6 gallon water heater....?? Is that correct?
AND, is the Truma Combi heating system quiet??? I noticed that our propane heater is a little noisy with the fan.... It's OKAY, and we kinda get used to it, but, I can see why people like radiant heating systems....
Was there an opportunity to get a tankless system on your coach....
If I had to consider doing this over, I'd probably go for the tankless system.
--Mark
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Hi Richard,
I have a Kenwood DNX 893...it's a sound system and Garmin all built into one device.. integrates cellphone, has Android Auto and Apple Carplay, Sirius XM radio...
Nice and compact system..
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Richard,
I agree completely with what you said below... HOWEVER, you can certainly enjoy the trip in any vehicle of your choice.... And, I really enjoy and appreciate newer vehicles with electronic stability control, disc brakes, automatic transmission, fuel efficiency, etc.
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For us it is truly about the journey and not the destination...
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For my situation, I would rather have the smaller coach, better MPG... and less repairs and maintenance.... kinda like a smaller house..
Let me ask you this...how many long road trips are you planning on this 44 years old coach?
Do you have a generator on this coach???
I hope that the availability of parts while you're on the road will NOT deter you..
I feel more comfortable in a newer vehicle, one that is easier for a tow truck driver to bring to a garage if repairs are needed...
While I think on one hand that an old bus like yours is very nostalgic....it scares me.... keep thinking it's a money pit... just my opinion... And, saw a news report tonight that there's a legion of folks who are buying old school buses and transforming them into "condos on wheels"....no kidding... I don't think you're doing this, but, it was an interesting news story!
My 2012 Mercedes Benz Roadtrek RS Adventurous has just under 40,000 miles... And, I'm sure I'll have more miles in the future... I'm not planning on putting in mothballs... Never understood why people do this...
Listen Richard, GOOD LUCK with you classic! It's better to be lucky than good....
---MARK
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Richard, enjoy your bus.....I see this is what you purchased?
http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/5470-1974GMC4108A/#imgiframediv
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23 minutes ago, manholt said:Mark.
Perhaps you should study a little more about cars, truck and RV's that are older than 20 years old...Think Jay Leno's collection of Antique vehicles are due for the scrap heap? He's got vehicles that has less than 30 miles or 7 hours on them and they all are in excellent condition...yes he has 3 full time mechanics helping him, the important part is that he can take them all apart and put them back together again...Oh, he also has a large assortment of Motor Cycles!
I got a 1972 Bentley with 1,913 miles on it...by your standards, I guess I should just throw it away?
Carl, OKAY... I'm not going to tell you to scrap it.... BUT, I will tell you that I'm not interested in a museum collection of old cars.
It's interesting that people love to was on about how few miles they have on their vehicles like they were bonds maturing... I don't purchase vehicles for this purpose..I purchase vehicles to drive and enjoy... My last trip was a 12,000 miles journey across the upper part of the USA to the east coast, down to Florida and across the lower 48.... 3 months..had a blast..
I collect houses, not cars or RV's... I have an income stream from two rental properties ...and like it... Probably won't get more but, anything is possible... I could have easily acquired another rental property if I had not purchased the coach... BUT, wanted to have the fun of owning and using the RV.....it's fun and interesting, but, not a good investment...
I'm sure that Jay Leno can afford anything he wants... maybe you are also... good for you if that's the case...
I'm just pick and choosy about the things I do... can't do everything...
I suppose that your 1972 Bentley has reached the status of a VERY collectible car..and I certainly know they have significant value.... but, I doubt that you have an income stream from it.... Maybe I'm wrong..if you rent it out to movie studios?? Do you??
The risk of maintaining, insuring and protecting a car like yours means the cost per mile for driving it is astronomical.....
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7 minutes ago, wolfe10 said:I made absolutely no statement about what parts I use-- merely that there are a number of choices out there.
And, having run large automobile dealerships for a career, I can assure you that an owner who knows what he is doing does a better job than 90% of techs out there. The owner CARES. Most techs are on the clock. Ever see a tech scrub the bottom of the transmission before servicing to make sure no dirt get in? And, it is amazing how many times the oil level is under or overfilled when serviced by a tech.
Is a tech superior to an owner who does not know what they are doing-- ABSOLUTELY.
Brett, understood.... however, believe me when I say that my mechanic is so honest and meticulous....he will actually tell me when it's time to consider switching cars...
He will do a superior job and if it's not done right by his shop..he will do it over at his expense... let me give you an example....he recommended replacement shocks for my 2009 Toyota Prius...he said that we should use KYB shocks.over the Toyota factory shocks......and said you'll save money and be very pleased..
Well, the ride was much stiffer than we were used to...he said drive it for a while...we couldn't stand it...I got back in touch with him.... you know what...he replaced the shocks with the original Toyota Prius shocks.. and I paid the difference for the parts...NO LABOR charge...he did it as a gesture for me....
Tell me, do you know anyone else who would do that??? Like I said, we have an excellent business relationship..he does not want me to be unhappy...
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5 minutes ago, richard5933 said:Our bus only has about 43,000 miles on the odometer. It was purchased from GM in '74 by the owner of a charter bus company and was sent directly from the GM factory to the coach conversion company (Custom Coach). It's been a private motor home its entire life. I have no plans on running this for the full 3 million mile life and only pointed that out to show how over-built vehicles like this used to be.
The difference in being able to rebuild vs. replace is like this. We've got a pump on our bus that circulates hot water from the engine (in the rear of the bus) to the HVAC equipment located in the front of the bus. There is a small seal on the shaft of the pump, along with a few other gaskets & seals that wear out over time. The seal on ours is dripping slowly, but the pump body and main parts are still in great condition. Rather than spending a few hundred or more for a complete pump assembly, all I needed was a rebuild kit for about $50 that came complete with seal, gaskets, new impeller, etc. Rebuilding or repairing both accomplish the same thing, but the older method of rebuilding did it at a much lower cost and used far fewer resources to accomplish the task.
In the 'old days' when cars had carburetors, a rebuild kit was about $20. This allowed the carburetor to be rebuilt and put back in service. Nowadays, the shop would simply replace the entire carburetor rather than rebuild. Which one uses more resources and is more wasteful?
When my pneumatic wiper motors need attention, I can buy a rebuild kit with new o-rings & seals and just rebuild the wear parts. More modern coaches with electric motors usually just get the unit replaced in total.
A couple of years ago I had one of the new Fiat 500 coupes. There was a very inexpensive plastic (nylon?) part in the transmission that failed. The factory instructions for the repair was to pull the entire transmission and replace with a new one. No attempt to repair the transmission was made, as it was not designed to be serviceable. Seemed like a lot of waste to me.
I guess the bottom line on these things is that the mindset was different years ago. The product designers intended for their products to be in service for many years, so they tried to anticipate which parts would fail from wear and tear. They then designed the final product so these parts could be either serviced or rebuilt in the field so that the entire unit didn't need to be replaced. Today's method for building most equipment is to use a more modular system. This greatly decreases the cost of production, but it also greatly increases the cost of repairs in the field (if repairs are even possible).
A very poignant example of this is how phones are now being built with batteries that are not replaceable by users. Just a few years ago, if ones battery was in need of replacement, it was simple to purchase and install a new battery. Now, the plan is to throw away the phone and just buy a new one.
Richard,
Tell me...you have an odometer in your coach with an extra digit like new cars showing your mileage is 043,600??? The reason I ask is that many older vehicles from the 60s and 70s didn't have this extra digit....so, for example my 1978 VW only had the five digit odometer reading up to 99,999 miles....you know what I mean??
I'm not saying it's "impossible", but, given the fact that your bus is 44 years old and the mileage your saying is 43,000 miles..that means that it was driven less than 1,000 miles per year or 2.7 miles per day?? Do you really think that sounds reasonable?? Maybe, it was in storage for a very long time??? Vehicles not driven in storage have all kinds of problems ... Didn't this concern you?? I would have been very concerned about the provenance of the vehicle and its service history... Just me..
Now, if you say that it doesn't have the full six digits on the odometer...I would suspect that it had gone around several times during its 44 years history... that would sound much more reasonable to me..
Sounds like you work on your own vehicle, engine and otherwise... good for you..
Everything is easy when you know what to do...I'm know my limitations....
--Mark
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1 hour ago, wolfe10 said:There are many choices in replacement parts:
Replace with OEM new
Replace with OEM reman
Replace by someone else's reman of an OEM component
Replace with "replaces" ..... (read that Chinese knockoff)
Replace with good used
Really Brett....??? I DO NOT replace with used, salvage or Chinese knockoff parts for my cars, motorhome or anything else....and would NEVER recommend that to anyone....
I have on occasion instructed my mechanic to use remanufactured OEM parts for the vehicle from a reliable source.... nothing wrong with remanufactured...
Don't know what you do?? BUT, it really makes a difference....
I wouldn't purchase a salvage title vehicle either.... not worth the risk..
As far as I'm concerned...if you cannot afford to maintain your vehicle as it should be... you shouldn't have it....
And, I NEVER work on my vehicles... always have them professionally serviced... vehicles today are "rolling computers".... VERY complicated.. IF you don't know what you're doing, you can screw up a lot of stuff very quickly.
Seems to work better that way...for me... I know it's usually done correctly and have a mechanic that's been working on our vehicles for over 20 years.. long term professional relationship....he is not interested in ripping us off... extremely honest and fair with his prices....you can't get better than that...
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Richard, how many miles are on your 1974 bus?
And, may I ask, what's the difference between rebuilt and replace of parts??? Still accomplishes the same thing... don't see your point?
Not sure I have enough years or energy to go 3 million miles 😁😁😁... let alone 500,000 miles.. probably will take 20 years or more just going half million miles....😁
---MARK
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Hmm, don't build them like they used to??
Cars and trucks have greatly improved over the years...why? Robots...
They're more precise and don't get hung over, take vacation days or get sick... although they do require maintenance and someone to operate them... usually highly skilled computer tech people...
Also, cars and trucks...all vehicles seem to last longer than past days and are SAFER...way safer....
SO, not sure I agree that we should go back to the "good old days"....
Of course I'm hopeful that the coach hardware and mechanical systems last for 15 years or more... they certainly could..... but, NOT 500,000 miles...
I think old cars and RVs are nostalgic...but, I would not want to own anything older than 20 years old...parts, service and safety suffer....
I completely agree with what Richard said below....
the number of mechanics trained to work on Detroit Diesel 2-stroke engines is getting fewer and fewer as days go on. Given the lack of good apprenticeship programs in most shops nowadays, the days are numbered for anyone driving an older coach like mine.
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35 minutes ago, wayne77590 said:Mark, that is totally unpredictable in my opinion. Microwave, stove, refrigerator, hot water heater, etc., could fail at anytime just as the engine could.
I imagine anything is possible...we could die suddenly too.. I'm not going to worry about all this and just live my life.. can't control everything...
I glad to be retired and enjoy the leisure time with my RV whenever I can. The main reason I probably won't go full time is that it's a bad financial move, in my opinion.
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One more thing... someone told me that the coach appliances and other things would probably fail BEFORE the engine quits... Time will tell....
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So, eight cents per mile diesel... four cents per mile gasoline...the reason I asked you to clarify is that the way you originally wrote this it looked like the diesel was .08 per mile.... which is less than .4 per mile...( See decimal point)...
"with that being said on light duty vehicles like your size at work we plan on .08 per mile for Diesel and .4 for Gas"
OK, the whole reason I got the diesel engine was the performance and the anticipated longevity! As you know, the torque and power of the diesel engine is much better for heavier vehicles.. with the dual wheels and weight of the RS Adventurous...it can handle weight up to 15,000 pounds fully loaded....
I'll probably never be at full capacity....and don't think it's necessary to tow an extra car... although it could....
As for long distances...I met someone in Michigan with a Sprinter van , not an RV, from Canada who actually had almost 500,000 miles on his vehicle...he said he did all the maintenance on schedule and no significant problems....
Falls under the category of "your mileage will vary" on road experiences...and repairs , I suppose.
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58 minutes ago, jleamont said:Mark, took me a bit to locate the zip drive I had with Sprinter maintenance notes but I came up with a number. One thing to keep in mind routine maintenance is about the only thing you can preplan for. Mechanical breakdowns would be difficult to preplan, with that being said on light duty vehicles like your size at work we plan on .08 per mile for Diesel and .4 for Gas.
From my business I sold in 2015 my Sprinter menu summary would be budget $1400.00 per year (assuming you run 15-20k per year on mileage) this should have enough fluff to cover brakes and tires as they come along. From my notes Sprinter's in the commercial environment only go 20-25,000 miles on Brakes and rotors ($1000.00 brake job per axle). I experimented with aftermarket pads and rotors to save customer's a few $$ in a fleet application, that didn't go as well as I hoped it would. I do not recommend going that route as the aftermarket brakes were noisy when applied (slight grinding sound could be heard inside). Those rotor designs were more along the line of an American rotor (where it lasts a few over a few brake pad replacement intervals) not a German type where the rotor and pad wear down together. On a positive note you didn't need to replace the rotors at every brake job which drastically cut down on cost but the noise was present, and I didn't think they stopped as well. In an RV I would run the factory brake pads and rotors.
One thing I observed around 100,000 miles transmissions needed overhauled (fleet vehicles that were take homes with only ever having one driver). The Sprinter had some plastic thrush washers inside that would crack and fail, every one failed at the 80,000-100,000 mile interval. I actually had metal ones machined and overhauled a few for a customer, they worked well afterwards all the way up to the engine replacement at 200,000 miles, which again, in an RV its not likely you will have it that long. The owner of the business's sprinter made it to 250,000 miles, his was a 2013, which from all that I read back then he did well.
The modern Diesel woes, while we as society benefit from cleaner air we open our wallets to an exuberant amount of potential problems that happen all to often. Todays Diesel engine has SIX times the components of a Gas engine in the same year, that increases the potential for problems. I have a few big Mercedes Benz Diesels at work as an example that will average a breakdown with some sort of electrical/emissions component every 10,000 miles that cost the company on average $3500.00 plus a tow, some have exceeded $10,000. Specifically on these engines I can only seem to squeeze 500,000 miles out of one and WOW are they expensive to put back on the road.
Thank you very much for sharing this.... very appreciated.
Interesting that your predicted costs on the diesel is lower than the gas...
"with that being said on light duty vehicles like your size at work we plan on .08 per mile for Diesel and .4 for Gas"
Tell me, that's NOT a typo... .08 per mile for the diesel... correct?
My Sprinter is a 2011 MB , 3 litre V6..it's still pretty new and less than 40,000 miles, even with my cross country trip.. biggest thing that happened was the entire emissions system, NOX sensor and catalytic converter all recently were replaced..it had blown a back pressure sensor on the turbo on the last leg of our trip...
My biggest frustration with this so far is the DEF system.. there's no dash board gauge for this, just some warning light that is supposed to tell you your low on DEF fluid...add some and it is supposed to reset... when the light went on, it put the thing into limited starts and I had to take it back to Mercedes... otherwise, I love it and the performance...
$1,500 per year in maintenance costs sounds great... I'm not planning on driving 15-20,000 miles per year every year...too much.. this first year is probably an annomoly for me... We'll see..
As for further down the road... I do get the transmission service regularly... And oil and filter changes.. 100,000 miles or more is a ways away..
Don't know if I'll have the RV after five years.. again, depends on how much we use it. One thing is for sure, we would NEVER go full time in this rig...too small for that.
Not sure about full time at all.... everyone's different, I understand. I'm not saying it's bad, just not what I want..., but, for traveling and sight seeing, this van is perfect for us. Three months was a long time, but, we have another residence in Michigan and stayed there for a month during this past trip..and with friends and family the rest of the way to break up the time... SO, not three months total on the road in the vehicle..
Finally, one more thing...it's NOT easy at all on the road to get SERVICE for the Sprinters... when the check engine light came on the last time we were in the Mohave desert... just about 175 miles outside of Flagstaff headed back to LA...We had just left Flagstaff where they replaced the exhaust back pressure sensor.... something was apparently still wrong and they didn't see it ... there's no Mercedes Benz dealership close by..we called the agency and they said if it was driving OK, we would probably be able to make it home..and take it to our local dealership. We were able to do that.. but, I still keep the AAA card handy and have the 200 mile tow feature.... you never know....
I'm VERY easy on my cars and vehicles... learned a long time ago that it REALLY makes a difference on how you drive and maintain them..it pays to be meticulous . Most of my cars have easily gone way past 125-150,000 miles.. with no major failures...I expect the van with the diesel engine to go to 200,000 easily...
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Richard,
Yes, some of the extra money I spent was to bring the coach up to my standards... I replace tires and batteries every six years... plus the on board propane sensor.. these were capital items and will not have to be revisited for a while..
Two oil changes and routine maintenance this year.. with the trip across the USA. Fortunately, the emissions system, recently replaced under warranty were all covered by Mercedes Benz.
I imagine that the repairs and maintenance for your 44 year old bus would be quite different... understood.
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3 hours ago, RedLdr1 said:Mark,
Since my mini Class C is defined as a Class B+ by some manufactures I'll answer this one:
Chassis Annual Maintenance: $150.00 That is a oil change before going in to storage in the fall and another after coming out in the spring. The services are performed at my local Ford dealer. Ford maintenance prices are a much better than the OMG!
costs on the Sprinter based Class C we had...
Insurance: ~$540 annually for full coverage thru Allstate. USAA still won't insure a motor home...and I will not ever use Progressive, their partner in crime.
License Fees: $1.00 a year for plate renewal. We now get charged all the taxes up front in Georgia. The Georgia Title Ad Valorem Tax (TAVT) is 7% on a new vehicle. At least there is no longer an annual birthday "present" from DMV.
Storage: $1,800 annually for covered storage, with 15Amp AC power. I could pay $1,200 annually for uncovered storage with no AC power but I like having a roof over my unit and being able to keep it plugged in whenever I want...
That what you were looking for?
Thanks for the responses... I don't know what to make of various replies as compared to my Class B...
Overall, to all of you... Do you do your own maintenance or take it to a professional??
In my first year.. I had extraordinary expenses, new tires, batteries, repairs, and vehicle maintenance..all in all about $7,500... And, this was all professionally done...
Do you do the work yourself or have it done?
I wouldn't expect that every year and have no storage fees..
Question, what's wrong with Progressive??
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doesn't Brett, OK... average is a relative term... depending on age..
Maybe people can give an estimate excluding license fees for years 2-5, 6-10, 11-16.
My car doesn't require a lot of expensive repairs every year, sometimes it's quite significant.. that's why you budget ... so, the "estimate" is a tool.
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On average, how much would you say your maintenance costs run on keeping your motorhome, aside from trips and related expenses? This would include routine maintenance, insurance and license fees....
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16 hours ago, manholt said:TCC is in the process of servicing my AQ and I looked at some of the circuits, it's a AQ450 and the control module is a Webasto....had no idea they was related.
My system is the same as Brett's.
Mark. There really isn't much difference between your B and my A. We have the same stuff on the inside, diesel engine...the big difference is Storage, MPG and Maintenance Cost. Little house, large house!
Absolutely correct.. I'm fine with the small house.. less maintenance and fuel costs.
The whole reason I purchased the Mercedes Benz was the diesel engine and drivetrain.... Someone suggested that I might be "lucky" to get 85,000 miles...😁........ I met people who have gone 800,000 kilometers... that's about 500,000 miles... 😁😁😁
My coach is perfect for us... two people, no pets.
Enjoy your rig...
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Forgot to mention the small refrigerator on the left side bottom of the cabinet, it is a little smaller than we like, but, again, it's a class B.
The picture I posted was the day we decided to purchase the rig at the dealership ...
The people who traded it in we're original owners and wanted a Winnebago Navion..
I thought that we were going to purchase a Navion as well, but, I really liked the Roadtrek Adventuous more.. better handling, more agile and stable ..the double rear wheels on the back of the couch are not inset like the Navion, and come right to the edge of the chassis like my car. The dual rear wheels were an absolute must for me..
Also drove a Winnebago Fuze...on the Ford Transit chassis , 5 cylinder diesel, not as smooth, horrible road dynamics. Felt like I was on a swaying boat.
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Thanks Richard, YES, there's a powerful vent in the bathroom.. and the RS Adventuous is beautifully finished on the inside. Here's an inside picture of our rig. It's small but deluxe, the rear seats double as our living room during the day and they fold down electrically and transform into a king size bed for the night.. airline style bathroom, kitchen sink, microwave convection oven and overhead cabinets with closet space, all natural cherry wood.
I absolutely love the way it drives, 18-20 MPG on the road, diesel engine, pretty quiet, quick and powerful. It has 190 HP and 325 foot pounds of torque. We don't need a tow car as we drive this everywhere we need to go. . And parks just about anywhere.
I added solar panels, satellite navigation, front and rear cameras, backup proximity sensors, tire pressure monitor, and more.. makes it easier and more comfortable for me.
The RS Adventuous has an ample towing capacity, as well as power to carry up to seven passengers if you don't install the optional armories behind the front driver and passenger..we have the extra seats in the garage.. figured that we could make better use of the cabinet space with just the two of us.. but, you can load up to 3,000 pounds of passengers and gear... SO, we'll never have a weight problem, just a space problem..
We just take less stuff.. all the extra gear is really not necessary even on a long trip. We found it unnecessary.. if we really needed it, we picked it up a long the way.
I am impressed by your " big rig"... I'm sure it's very nice inside? Please provide a picture.. if you can. I've seen some very nice customized rigs .
----MARK
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1 hour ago, kaypsmith said:Mark, the water just continues to fill the tank as long as pressurized water is available, as soon as the temp drops below the threshold setting for the tank to start reheating, that begins to happen, which means that the water will start getting cooler until you are uncomfortable. This may be 12 gallons or more because the heated water is mixing with the cooler water. Then the recovery time actually begins. In Richards case that is about 15 minutes, others may be slower or faster. I have 80 gallons fresh water on board and use an electric water heater, 5 gallons, the wife and I can shower one behind the other and have comfortable baths. Yes, we are conservative bathers while on the tank, but when fully hooked up, we tend to stay somewhat longer, and still have never been too cool.
OK....on our Roadtrek, we have 30 gallon fresh water tank....so, while I don't know , it seems unlikely that I would have to use up 12 gallons, more than 1/3 of the total tank to have hot water to start heating up again.
Regardless, I'm not going to look into making an upgrade to the "motor aid" feature at this time.
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3 minutes ago, wolfe10 said:RV water heaters come with up to THREE sources of heating:
120 VAC
Propane
Motor-aid (a circuit off the main engine that circulates through the water heater to provide hot water while/after driving). VERY handy. Looking way back, our 1993 Foretravel had this additional heat source.
Interesting about the "motor aid". ...do any Class B s have this?
Smaller Diesel Or Larger Gasoline Engine? Longevity/Maintenance/ Resale/ Performance?
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Did you purchase a comparably sized Class B with a gasoline or diesel engine and WHY?
Most of the gasoline versions have a slightly larger engine to deal with the additional weight that the coach has to carry... while a diesel engine can and usually is a smaller engine with even greater torque than most gasoline engines.
Most gasoline engines can be serviced just about anywhere, but, you may need a specialist to work and diagnose a diesel, especially Mercedes Benz... on the other hand, Mercedes Benz diesels are known for their longevity and long service intervals, so, if you have your engine maintenance done before you go, you're going to be good for at least 10,000 miles before your next oil change...
And, diesels in general can be smaller.. and get twice the mileage a gasoline engine can get with more pulling power and performance...this is especially important when climbing hills and driving through the mountains... even at low speeds...
Not once, anywhere, on our cross country trip did we encounter any situation where the coach had any difficulty climbing hills and mountains.... and we went some pretty steep locations...
Resale value is another advantage for diesels.... because they are known for their longevity, people will generally pay more for one when it's time to sell or trade your coach...And, mileage on the engine is NOT taken into effect according to NADA ( National Automobiles Dealer Association) on used vehicles....it's only a consideration on gasoline engines..
What was your reason for going diesel or gasoline???