tireman9 Report post Posted September 6, 2010 I have added detailed info on the results of my study on RV tire Temperatures to my "Tire Basics for RV Owners" seminar. This was first presented last week at Gypsy Journal Rally in Elkhart, Indiana, but I thought you would find this interesting. ++++++++++++++ It is well known that heat is one of the major killers of tires. It is a little less well known that one of the reasons tires seem to age at different rates is their different temperature history and tires are basically always "curing". Ever seen how hard a 40 or 50 year old tire is? It is known that chemical reaction rates (1), in general, double every 10°C (18°F) so the more hours we keep our tires at higher temperature the more cumulative "accelerated aging" we are doing to our tires. While keeping the proper inflation pressure in our tires can keep the operating temperatures relatively under control ( +20°F to +50°F) above ambient while driving down the highway. One area I have not seen any data on is the temperature of a tire just sitting in the Sun. The attached shows the temperature using an inexpensive IR Thermometer. Pictures are: Of side of RV in the shade Of side of RV in the sun Of a tire in full sun for an hour Overview of my white tire cover Temperature of the cover Temperature of the tire under the cover. I think it could be argued that your tire "ages" between two and four times faster if you do not use a white tire cover than when your tires are in full sun when parked. Another way to think of this could be that 6 months of full exposure to bright sunlight does as much heat damage to a tire as two years under a white tire cover. I will have to leave it up to someone else to do a test on black tire covers. How "old" are your tires? (1.) http://chemistry.about.com/od/stoichiometr...eactionrate.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbutler Report post Posted September 6, 2010 Hello Tireman9, Can you give me the model of IR thermometer and information about where I can obtain one? I'll try your test on black tire covers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StellersJay Report post Posted September 6, 2010 The non-contact laser thermometer looks very much like a unit sold by Harbor Freight for $25.99 (sale price). Interesting study! Thanks for posting. Sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
susan.charles@windstream.net Report post Posted September 6, 2010 Thanks for the info Tireman9. I'll be anxiously waiting for your findings on the black ones Tom. Our motorhome sits in our backyard and black ones would look better than white ones. While we're on this subject ours is setting on dirt. I've been thinking about pouring concrete pads for it but I don't know if it is worth the effort. We're unable to travel much right now but we do take it out every few weeks for 30 or 40 miles on the interstate. What are your thoughts on dirt versus concrete? Thanks for your thoughts, ccmsm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BillAdams Report post Posted September 6, 2010 I think it could be argued that your tire "ages" between two and four times faster if you do not use a white tire cover than when your tires are in full sun when parked.Another way to think of this could be that 6 months of full exposure to bright sunlight does as much heat damage to a tire as two years under a white tire cover. "I think it could be argued" and "6 months...is as much damage to a tire as two years....." are very interesting statements but I was curious if this information is based on any particular science or your own personal speculation. I do suspect that covering tires if you park the coach for months at a time is likely beneficial since the tire is designed to be driven and designed to work best while warm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbutler Report post Posted September 6, 2010 Thanks for the information. As soon as I can get to Harbor Freight to pick up an IR thermometer I'll give this a try and report back on my findings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BillAdams Report post Posted September 6, 2010 So based upon Tireman's link I will have to assume that this is personal speculation since none of it specifically applies to tires. Additionally, the link states: The rate of a chemical reaction depends on the medium in which the reaction occurs. It may make a difference whether a medium is aqueous or organic; polar or nonpolar; or liquid, solid, or gaseous. So there's really no way to know if the tires life expectancy is shorten by the amount of he is speculating. My guess is that a tire exposed to the air (ozone degradation) as well as the simple fact that tires live shorter lives due to lack of movement has much to do with the life or lack thereof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikev Report post Posted September 6, 2010 Thanks for the info Tireman9. I like your premise and am glad that I have white tire covers. I have to admit I bought them because my MH is predominantly white, however I did think that white would be cooler. The reality is that heat and sunlight damages most things quicker than cool and dark. I already utilize plywood under my tires for any long periods of inactivity, as well as taking some of the weight off them using my jacks. Following the advice of this forum last winter I also increased the pressure to their rated maximum covered them and put the MH in a dry dark hanger. I'm not looking to increase the lifespan too far, mainly trying to keep them in as good condition possible for their lifetime. I like to walk a more middle ground than some and feel that every little bit helps. That and I don't want to spend $2-3k too often.... All this info is great, I hope to attend one of your seminars some day. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tireman9 Report post Posted November 26, 2010 So based upon Tireman's link I will have to assume that this is personal speculation since none of it specifically applies to tires. Additionally, the link states:The rate of a chemical reaction depends on the medium in which the reaction occurs. It may make a difference whether a medium is aqueous or organic; polar or nonpolar; or liquid, solid, or gaseous. So there's really no way to know if the tires life expectancy is shorten by the amount of he is speculating. My guess is that a tire exposed to the air (ozone degradation) as well as the simple fact that tires live shorter lives due to lack of movement has much to do with the life or lack thereof. Sorry Bill but not just my "personal speculation" but based on 40 years of extensive work with tire compound chemists and research scientists in the tire industry. I have seen data on cross link density which is a good predictor of rubber properties and ultimate tire performance and durability. The math does hold up as I personally did an experiment on "cure equivalents" which took 35 years to complete as time is one thing we can't accelerate in the lab. Link was just to give simple background info. Actual cross-link density numbers for individual compounds are proprietery unless you want to spend the $$$$ to have an analysis done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites