hayesfamily

My head is hung in shame.

Manholt I was installing the supplemental braking system because all good motor coach drivers have a supplemental brake system because it's the right thing to do. My system uses a brake controller and inertia to apply the brakes like I guess it would be in one of the bigger trailers. So I should have known that the previous owner was an idiot because his brake controller that was already there was turned the wrong way so it never would have worked at least a proportional side of it. So I get the controller in and trusted his wiring and he wired the brake controller on the hot lead going to the electric brake doohickey instead of the rear tail light wire. When I went to press the button to see if the controller worked I started seeing smoke come from between my legs. Thinking nothing of it I hit it again and I started seeing more smoke and now I'm thinking holy moly Batman! I immediately pick up the phone and call Joe and without checking and thinking about what I said I blurted out, Joe I got smoke coming from between my legs I **** near burn the coach down How he kept it in I don't know, maybe he was more concerned about whether or not I was okay but it really sounded like I had the clap after I said it. So after he calmed me down and talk to me through it I'm sure, at least if it were me, I'm almost positive he laughed until he could not stop laughing. Keep in mind once I got out of the coach I took off running down the street so hard I was kicking my own self in the butt. So my neighbors got a good laugh as well. The moral to the story is be careful what friends you call when you have a burning smell and smoke coming from between your legs because I'm sure if he did not know I was working on the controller he would have probably offered me the name and number of the local Clinic where I could get penicillin cuz it just didn't come out right. The Magic Smoke must always stay in, the moment you release it nothing works anymore!

No but I can tell you one thing, I was halfway out their drivers window before I realize what was going on because I’m a tell you something, my definition of toasted almonds was not that particular experience.

Don't feel bad, I was on the phone with Joe trying to explain to him what was going on needless to say, he did a really good job of waiting till he got off the phone with me to laugh at me

Dude ... YALL WERE Blessed, I have been down the road of burning wires - mine were between my legs under the steering column so im glad you found the issue and didnt have a huge problem. Hope you get it fixed soon!

There's only one reason I seem to even have one if you're spending that kind of money, if I lived in a congested Inner City where camping for me is long trips to Grandma's house on a regular basis or if my job was in DC and I lived in Philadelphia. I would go down stay for a few days work and then come home. If I lived in Baltimore but I was the local traveling Undertaker that went from Pittsburgh to Roanoke back to Baltimore and points in between. It would give me somewhere to lay my head and a Truck Stop and at least use a clean bathroom and shower. But if you're actually going to a campground to camp and you have a hundred and fifty Grand to blow on a coach, I say take 75 thousand of that and blow it on a decent used coach put the rest of your pocket, and pay a storage facility to store it. I guess one could be used as a rolling brothel but even then with a Class A you could at least set up a counter where you could take Visa Mastercard American Express and discover, have a working cash register, and a waiting area for the next client for that kind of money.

Absolutely, a Toad that you can eat at McDonalds and not have to race to the can cause there is one built in & you use less TP cause you can turn the shower on and rinse, just be careful not to hit the pulse button cause that ain't a rinse no more that's TV-MA action. I can see the title now, Tales from the shower ... unrated!

Good evening, based on the numbers that you give it is the absolute worst value you could ever get. Why would you sink $150,000 in something that would depreciate faster than a used camel in China ... furthermore, you’re going to spend more money on hotels and everything else with the crappy beds that are in them and the fact that you can only take a shower for about two minutes before the water runs out. Then let’s put in the fact of disconnecting and reconnecting every time you decide to go to the store to get some bread because you can’t tell a dog on thing behind them. I’ll sync 150 grand into a class all day and $2000 into a cheap towed before I buy one. That’s just my opinion

Kay, I've always wondered, if your rear suspension doesn't move ... in other words is it possible to adjust the Caster or the camber on the rear? I kind of sort of might see how the toe could be adjusted but let's just say for instance they are fixed, is it possible that a misaligned front cause the rear to drag? Going back to my original theory of the coach tugging up on the front end of the toad, I'm also curious what does he have in the back of that toad weight-wise that is not being disclosed? Is he putting clothes or wood for the fire or anything in the trunk that would cause excessive weight to be on the rear axle?

Yeah ... at this point all we can do is speculate. I think the only thing that we can be reasonably certain about is it's not the braking system itself.

Hey Bill, if I'm not mistaken the brake booster on that Fiat is going to apply 60 + percent of the braking to the front not the rear even when using an Invisible brake or some type of manual pedal brake system. I could be wrong but I would think that that's how it's done. It might even be 70% in the front. I know my coach Appliance 50% in the front 50 in the rear but I'm assuming because of the weight it does that. I would love to see a picture from the side like a profile picture of the coach the toad and the setup because the last time I saw uneven tire wear like that was a coach that was pulling a Chevy Malibu but the front end of the Malibu was kind of lifted up in the air and dragging the back kind of like what would happen if it were on a dolly. That would cause really wicked drag unless the parking brake is slightly applied but that's an easy diagnosis because the parking brake would be worn down. Whether it's the braking system or the way the tow bar is set up something isn't quite right in the setup.

I'm not exactly sure what you're towing with or what your setup is so I'm kind of like Bill I really don't know what to say other than okay. Here are a few suggestions and keep in mind there just that until we get some clarification or what you're dealing with. 1. When your Towing is the front of your vehicle pointed up and the rear pointed down? If it is you're putting the weight of the vehicle in the rear the tires which is going to wear them faster 2. Is your tow vehicle a manual transmission or auto? Awd, rwd, or front? Are you properly putting the transfer case in neutral or putting the clutch in neutral? 3. Okay so I'm now out of ideas, if you have some more information that would be great up to and including what kind of tires you have

Sorry I’m late to the party. I hope Joe and Herman did not drink all the beer. I’m Keon and I pay three people to travel with me, my wifey Pooh that will forever be 21, my 19-year-old daughter and my eight-year-old son. We live in Maryland not too far from Joe, and I’ll travel anywhere there’s a road. We do a lot of local camping specifically in the Maryland Pennsylvania and adding Delaware this year. I’ve taken a hankering to liking state parks only because they are cheap and it gets me out of the house so I can light a campfire and sing Kumbaya

Bill let me explain how the Hayes Rascals work. if I put a fare box at the front door of the coach and they paid the fare, by the time we get finished camping for the weekend they're going to make sure they tax my pocket for four times what they put in the box. Don't feel bad, I'm in the same boat.

Ummm ok. I guess that would be the equivalent to me calling my coach are referring to it as a bus even though the people that ride is passengers don't pay to get on and it sits on a truck chassis. in the grand scheme of things I end up paying them to ride with me

I’m sorry I think I just figured out where the source of the confusion is. I feel really bad about it. You’re talking about a trailer that sits on the fifth wheel, I was under the impression you were talking about an actual fifth wheel. I am probably the wrong person to ask about that or to answer this because the cost of the trailer itself can exceed $80,000 and by the time you look at the $60,000 truck you need to pull it you have well exceeded the cost of a brand new class I am probably the wrong person to ask about that or to answer this because the cost of the trailer itself can exceed $80,000 and by the time you look at the $60,000 truck you need to pull it you have well exceeded the cost of a brand new class A gas. On that note I would say just get a gas coach or use diesel because it’s less maintenance, less issue, and a $2000 car behind it ends up coming out cheaper in the long run.

Yep he does ... I’m going to have him look at this post. May give him another idea! As far as rebate, now that I think about it, I don’t think that there are rebates per se but they do run defense a.m. The cost of the mechanism is only a couple of thousands of dollars so I doubt if they have rebates per se, Camping world currently is running a sale. I just got the flyer in the mail so I would try giving them a call to see what you can negotiate and they do a really good job with installation.

Hey Joe, is that the one with that gentle Glide mechanism? My buddy was going to get one of those for his horse trailer and I told him it looked like it was going to work out for him just fine. I'm not exactly sure what rebates or anything they have on them but never the less that's a nice 5th wheel

This is not to say that Workhorse is a piece of junk or anything like that but I am so glad the majority of the people that I talked to told me to stay the heck away from them. Unfortunately this is not the only issue that he's had with this particular chassis that seems to be a global issue. There was a recall and I'm not exactly sure if that recall issue was supposed to prevent or solve this from happening but unfortunately he wasn't eligible for whatever reason.

The ABS Brake Pump was the culprit FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS!

YES!

So, just curious ... What are the actually numbers? Your stating its a guess and not fact I would like to know what the numbers are and if you dont have them where can I obtain them?

You may have to purchase a new cable if you move to the cargo area but dont panic. Mine is in the cargo area and i dont notice it. I would have them look at the 7 Pin as mine is super easy to push in. Make sure there are no pins bent that is cause the issue. Contact the BB people and they will usually replace without issue. I actually had fun installing ours. Watching the DW's eyes and I had jeep parts all over the yard again. The biggest issue in Jeep Cherokees would be the firewall, may have to drill and it is compact in there. Over all I think i will work fine. I love the way the coach and Toad work together to make braking smooth and predictable. The fact the brake away and the tender for the battery is built in was the over all selling point for me. Good luck and happy driving

Friend of mine has a 07 Workhorse chassis (UFO) and he is having an issue with the brake cylinder on the drive shaft locking up. He will try to release the brake and ABS lights and Brake will flash and coach cant/wont move. I thought it was the relay in the box beside the transmission that went bad however the "guy" that has the coach in DE seems to think its ok. I am super skeptical because he said the manual required 1600psi to unlock the brake which I think is down right wrong but ... I am not a mechanic I just fix my stuff cause I cant afford to pay FORD. Anyone else aware of this issue and what was the solution. I am trying to help from a distance with out going to DE to have him tow the coach home and figure it out from there.

Now the concern I have is the 2024 where ALL gas in the US is supposed to me E15, or maybe its 2020 but E15 in my coach WILL cost me a motor. I know people in the mid west using it now and one guy has At that point I am going to defiantly switch to a diesel and hope I dont have to worry about them introducing ethanol in that for years to come. THEY SAY (the EPA and we know they Lie) cars 2007 and newer should be compatible with E15 because automakers have changed the formulation of the affected components. My coach being a 99 im screwed! They say (Them lying folks again) At gas stations that use blender pumps you'll have to purchase at least 4 gallons of E10 to insure any E15 in the hose is diluted to safe levels in your fuel tank. So that reallyisnt an issue as I usually take 50+ gallons for it to me worth my time and stop but I dont want that crap in my tank at all. Therefore, fuel lines, injectors, seals, gaskets, and valve seats as well as the carburetor on my Genny is subject to even worse damage. I cant be the only one feeling this heartbreak - but this may be the only topic us and the tow crew have in common to talk about. (Did I say That?)