manholt Report post Posted September 12, 2014 I don't know if Oregon is using Bio-Diesel, all I know is that while in Oregon, before, during and after FMCA Convention, I had lousy mpg. I normally get 7.2 to 7.4 mpg, in Oregon I got 5.43mpg. I do not use computer, I divide gallons into mileage. I got fuel at Seven Feathers Casino and TA at Exit 199 north of Eugene, OR. When I got into Utah, I took 112.3 gal. at Pilot in Bingham City and drove to Albuq. NM. Filled up at Pilot...7.65mpg. What gives? Carl C. AMC Tradition 45Y, 2010 425 Cummins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfe10 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Carl, Likely a combination of things. We had the same experience this summer in Oregon. Clearly Oregon has its share of mountains. MPG always suffers on grades vs flat land. We also played "dodge the Bio-diesel" dance. Pulled into one station and right back out-- small print on the pump was B20. Biodiesel contains less BTU's per gallon, so MPG will suffer, but we are talking about 5-7%. So bio alone will not account for your experienced difference. No idea whether headwinds played a part in the equation-- we did not experience adverse winds in Oregon. Boy did we from Colorado on south to south Texas on the way back from Oregon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huffypuff Report post Posted September 12, 2014 There is clearly lots of mountains on your route in that area that would decrease mileage. Once you got a little SE less mountains so better mileage. Like Brett said over 5% bio mileage will suffer. Same goes for gasoline that has 10% or more ethanol, less performance and mileage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSPERRELLA Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Did you do the fillup or an employee of the station? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desertdeals69 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 I fueled up with b15 in Portland prior to Redmond and did not notice any difference in milage, still getting between 10 and 11 mpg. I am currently in the Sacramento area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildebill308 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Yes I got yelled at because I tried to pump my own fuel. They said it was against the law for me to pump fuel. The fact that they only pump till the pump shuts off the first time should give you better milage on the first tank but widely varying on the next tanks. Perhaps a combination of all the variables led to your low milage. I ran into B50 Bio in Missoula Montana at the Pilot/Flying J they had 4 different diesels on one pump. The B50, red dyed, #1 and #2 for a much higher price. I bought the #2 to not have to deal with possible problems. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dickandlois Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Carl, While on the trip to Redmond and back, I found more then one location where the grade around the pumps was running down hill, from the back of the coach towards the front and fuel does not run up hill well! So, I turned the coach around and filled with the coach running up hill. On our coach that made a difference of 10 to 15 gallons more fuel in the tank. Brett, You left early and the wind delivered some colder air with some snow a few days later above 7000 ft. on our way back East. Glad we got out before the latest weather out in that area!!!! Sure hope its not a sign of a lot of snow this winter. I do not have the towed ready to go south and still have 2 or 3 other issues that need some tender loving care. LOL Rich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfe10 Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Rich, Yes, we had been on the road all summer and has some "house chores" to take care of. So, as soon as I finished with the Seminars I present, we hit the road. No wind across OR and ID. Nice tail wind across WY. Then 20-25 MPH head winds in CO, OK and TX. Glad we were not in the sailboat-- would have had to wait for better conditions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillAdams Report post Posted September 12, 2014 Yes I got yelled at because I tried to pump my own fuel. They said it was against the law for me to pump fuel. The fact that they only pump till the pump shuts off the first time should give you better milage on the first tank but widely varying on the next tanks. Perhaps a combination of all the variables led to your low milage. I ran into B50 Bio in Missoula Montana at the Pilot/Flying J they had 4 different diesels on one pump. The B50, red dyed, #1 and #2 for a much higher price. I bought the #2 to not have to deal with possible problems. Bill For those not familiar with the rules about pumping fuel in OR, you CANNOT pump your own gas. Period. However, there are no issues at all if you have a diesel rig and pump diesel yourself. You just have to pay about .30 more per gallon for diesel than is posted on the sign at the truck stop. Only commercial drivers with a PUC permit get that price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted September 13, 2014 All of you. I pumped my own and got 3 cents off of listed price at Seven Feathers (got players card), ACC pre-rally. Paid the listed price at TA. I did have to use attendant when I filled up Jeep in Portland, but not in Redmond, so Portland was a surprise! I have never had to pay more than listed price on Gas or Diesel rigs!!! I got to Oregon August 6 and left September 7th, via CO., got stuck in high wind, 40+ yesterday. Will head for Galveston today. Got family in Coos Bay area...think I'll fly next year! Carl C. AMC Tradition 45' 2010 Galveston, TX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huffypuff Report post Posted September 13, 2014 Bill, go to Flying J or Pilot in Oregon and get the better price. Seven Feathers would only give three cents with players club so I saved by going to next Flying J/Pilot north. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desertdeals69 Report post Posted September 14, 2014 Carl, While on the trip to Redmond and back, I found more then one location where the grade around the pumps was running down hill, from the back of the coach towards the front and fuel does not run up hill well! So, I turned the coach around and filled with the coach running up hill. On our coach that made a difference of 10 to 15 gallons more fuel in the tank. Brett, You left early and the wind delivered some colder air with some snow a few days later above 7000 ft. on our way back East. Glad we got out before the latest weather out in that area!!!! Sure hope its not a sign of a lot of snow this winter. I do not have the towed ready to go south and still have 2 or 3 other issues that need some tender loving care. LOL Rich. I have used my jacks to tilt the coach for maximum fill on more that one occasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbutler Report post Posted September 15, 2014 We only have air leveling, no jacks but that may be even more convenient. I can dump air on one side of the coach and raise the other using the manual leveling. That way I can tilt the coach with the high side to the pump (we can fill from either side) and that allows me to fill the tank as completely as possible. When finished filling, I return the coach to travel mode as I record the mileage and reset the fuel statistics on the Aladdin system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted September 23, 2014 Brett, I think your thoughts on elevation changes was dead on. I got in to Galax, Va. and went thru my gallons used and mileage from Portland via Galveston to Galax. The biggest change was mountains and 1 lane roads. I also, played the B-20 game in Lexington, Pilot had B-20 and I left for across the road was TA, no Bio advertised! Carl C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desertdeals69 Report post Posted September 23, 2014 From Redmond to Morgan Hill Ca on b15 I got 10.43 mpg. About the same as with pure diesel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbaldwin Report post Posted September 23, 2014 I use whatever they sell at Flying J Sometimes as high as B20 No change in MPG 10 to 10.5 solid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dickandlois Report post Posted September 23, 2014 Bill, Just remember that the Bio jells at a higher temperature. The higher the B number the higher the jelling point temperature! The Bio has better lubricity so there is a trad off and it cleanse things better so extra fuel filters on hand might be in order. Rich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbaldwin Report post Posted September 24, 2014 I thought at lower temps they added anti-gel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfe10 Report post Posted September 24, 2014 I thought at lower temps they added anti-gel? Bill, Yes, if purchased in winter, it will have anti-gel added/a mix of #2 and #1 diesel. But, were you to fill up in the summer or fall (before cold temperatures) you would need to add an anti-gel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manholt Report post Posted September 24, 2014 OK, Brett, another word for my vocabulary...what is anti-gel? How often do you use it? My coach takes a one month rest, over a 4 month time period in winter. Carl C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfe10 Report post Posted September 24, 2014 Often referred to as "cloud point" as #2 diesel is cooled, the longer hydrocarbon chains begin to link together/gel. This can clog fuel systems. That is why in cold areas in winter the fuel is not straight #2 diesel, but a combination of #2 and #1 which does not gel until a much lower temperature. So, if you fill in the winter, you are already good to go. But, if you fill in the summer or fall before cold temperatures set in, it is a good idea to add it. Here is a common anti-gel at most Walmarts: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Diesel-Fuel-Supplement-Plus-Cetane-Boost-32-oz/16644698 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildebill308 Report post Posted September 29, 2014 Good stuff I run it. I allso have been running a Fleetguard product part number CC2597 it is a Asphaltene Conditioner. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
