First Amendment

[manholt]

Something profound has just happened in FMCA....we have over 80,000 members and a post, Canada, was just shut down, by a moderator and Area Sr. Vice President.  Why?  Because 2 members felt it was Political.  

One of the 2 members, said that he would drop his FMCA membership, if he could not have it his way!

Truth be known, I can not see, any way, that a member can serve as a responsible, non opinionated, moderator and on the executive board at the same time!  Congrats Herman Mullins, you just took away some of our "Freedom of Speech."  

[richard5933]

31 minutes ago, manholt said:

Something profound has just happened in FMCA....we have over 80,000 members and a post, Canada, was just shut down, by a moderator and Area Sr. Vice President.  Why?  Because 2 members felt it was Political.  

One of the 2 members, said that he would drop his FMCA membership, if he could not have it his way!

Truth be known, I can not see, any way, that a member can serve as a responsible, non opinionated, moderator and on the executive board at the same time!  Congrats Herman Mullins, you just took away some of our "Freedom of Speech."  

 

[wayne77590]

As typical the thread was starting to go off topic, in my opinion. The thread was about our Canadian Friends and the U.S./Canada border.  Again, in my opinion, the mention of other borders did have overtones of political nuisance.

I was asked to be a moderator on a few forums. Having been there and done that before  can attest that it is a very thankless job. 

So, thank you moderators and continue to do your best, as you have done.

Edited August 13, 2021 by wayne77590
Spelling

[sstgermain]

2 hours ago, manholt said:

Something profound has just happened in FMCA....we have over 80,000 members and a post, Canada, was just shut down, by a moderator and Area Sr. Vice President.  Why?  Because 2 members felt it was Political.  

One of the 2 members, said that he would drop his FMCA membership, if he could not have it his way!

Truth be known, I can not see, any way, that a member can serve as a responsible, non opinionated, moderator and on the executive board at the same time!  Congrats Herman Mullins, you just took away some of our "Freedom of Speech."  

Well maybe us 2 members and more should drop our membership because of Herman Mullins.

[rfsod48]

Is this another censorship move by the governing body? Civil discussion wether political or nonpolitical should be allowed. Have we all turned into the “correct” wimps?

[richard5933]

The rules are pretty clear. Link posted to them above.

This talk about censorship and first amendment is just silly. FMCA is a private organization and we all agreed to the rules when joining this forum. If you can't or won't follow them then FMCA is not to blame.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I come to forums like this one to escape the constant political and hot-topic babel that fills so many online areas nowadays. The rules specifically prohibit political conversations, whether civil or not.

[hermanmullins]

I am sorry if some are offended by my following the rules I was told to follow when appointed to the position of Monitor of the FMCA Forum. Here are the rules once again for those that have not read them. 

Herman

 

• Members
•  
• 663 posts
• Location:Cincinnati, Ohio

• Report post
•  
• (IP: 216.196.186.2)
•  
•  

Posted April 9, 2009 (edited)

Thank you for visiting the FMCA Forums, where motorhome owners -- from novice to veteran -- can discuss everything about motorhoming. To promote a fun and welcoming atmosphere, we have implemented the following rules:

• Check to see if your question/comment already has been addressed somewhere on the site. Use the search feature.
• Post in the correct forum. Look at other topics and see where your topic should go. Do not cross-post the same question to multiple places.
• Choose an appropriate Topic Title. Try to summarize your subject briefly in the title, and elaborate in the message itself. Repeat the title in the body if it will make things clearer. An example of a bad title would be "HELP ME." A good title might be, "Cummins ISB Engine Fails on Steep Incline."
• Do not use a URL as a thread title.
• Keep all posts on-topic. We may delete individual posts that could ruin a good topic thread. Threads that evolve into good-natured, off-topic banter are better suited for a personal contact method such as a private message or e-mail.
• Include as much information as you can when seeking help. This may include: coach make/model, engine, chassis, transmission.
• Solicitations to buy or sell of any kind are strictly prohibited.
• Do not post to advertise your product or business. Commercial advertising is not permitted in any relation to your account, including URLs or active links in your profile or signature.
• When recommending a product to help a user solve their issue, please disclose any affiliations -- paid or unpaid -- you may have with the provider of that product.
• Any post deemed to be self-promotion, advertising or spam can and will be removed. Posting excessive, unnecessary references to your products and Web sites is self-promotion.
• You may post about problems you have with a product, company or organization, but using the forums for repeated attacks is forbidden.
• Posts on matters in which legal counsel is/has been involved, including posts related to future, current or past lawsuits, are not allowed.
• Political and religious posts are not permitted.
• Keep all comments civil. Constructive criticism is welcome, but insults directed toward other users or the site administrators will not be tolerated.
• You may not use this message board to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
• FMCA reserves the right to remove any message deemed inappropriate or disruptive to our Community.
• If a topic is recognized as a violation of any of these guidelines, please contact a Moderator or an Administrator either via Private Message or the "report post to moderator" feature; do not respond publicly to the member. And please do not argue a moderator's decision publicly on the forums.
• FMCA reserves the right to change these rules as necessary to meet any future needs that may arise.
• FMCA is not responsible for any messages posted. FMCA does not vouch for or validate the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and is not responsible for the contents of any message.
• The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of FMCA.

Within these guidelines, FMCA encourages information exchange, friendly debate, socializing and good humor.

Thank you for being part of our online community.

Edited March 26, 2013 by tmoning

•  
• Quote
•  
• Edit

---

 

FMCA Admin

FMCA.com

[rayin]

Wayne said it best,  I agree. Nothing was added to the conversation by taking cheap shots. We are free to think as we choose, but everyone here agreed to follow FMCA discussion forum rules. If one chooses to ignore the rules they should expect consequences.

[kaypsmith]

Thank you FMCA for having and enforcing the rules. I don't do Facebook because of the political jargon. Thank you Herman for being YOU!

[wayne77590]

The choice to leave this forum and not renew membership is a personal choice. I wish those who do well. I hope you find another source of great RV'ers.

I am a member of other forums, and rules regarding political or religious posts are not permitted.  Why, because most of the time the posts on politics or religion just cause discontent. Personally I don't talk politics or religion because I don't know enough about either one.

The rights of the 1st Amendment do not apply to private enterprises, only public ones. Example: sitting in a private place a photographer does not have the right to take a picture if the person does not want it done.  If the person steps out on to a public sidewalk, a photographer can take  as many pictures as they want without permission. Think paparazzi.

[tbutler]

I was looking for the FMCA Member Code of Ethics which is referenced in the Governance section of the website but the only information I can find is about enforcement.  Where can I find the actual document, "Member Code of Ethics" on the web site?

 

[richard5933]

7 minutes ago, tbutler said:

I was looking for the FMCA Member Code of Ethics which is referenced in the Governance section of the website but the only information I can find is about enforcement.  Where can I find the actual document, "Member Code of Ethics" on the web site?

 

Is this what you're looking for?

https://www.fmca.com/images/FMCA-Code-Of-Ethics.pdf

[hermanmullins]

Thank you Wayne.

Herman

[five]

I'm a member of one forum that has a "Political" thread.  Anybody can say what they want, within reason, but differences of opinions are acceptable. Of course, the majority lean the same way, so there are very few dissenters.

[richard5933]

9 hours ago, five said:

I'm a member of one forum that has a "Political" thread.  Anybody can say what they want, within reason, but differences of opinions are acceptable. Of course, the majority lean the same way, so there are very few dissenters.

I've seen those threads on a few of the bus conversion forums I'm in. Since those groups are not all of a like mind, those conversations often end in hurt feelings and people quitting the forum. FMCA has members from all walks of life and from all political persuasions. Not much good can come from a thread like that on a board designed to hold RV related conversations. There are reasons rules prohibit political conversations.

[wayne77590]

Also I have found that in discussing politics one party always does not like to listen to what the other party has to say, so what's the point.

You end up talking politics with those who believe the way you do and it changes nothing.

Edited September 8, 2021 by wayne77590
end up