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On two different occasions, since l have been a member, there was voting by all members. The ballots were printed in the magazine and members were given three months to send in their ballots. Each time less than 8% of the Membership voted. There is no way of knowing but I would guess that the majority of those that voted were members of a chapter.

Herman 

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I might have said it before, but it's worth repeating...

If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.

Lots of good ideas have been presented on this thread about ways to bring in new members, ways to improve participation, and ways to help FMCA transition into an organization that can offer future generations what they will need. Hopefully someone in leadership is taking notes.

 

 

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I spent my 52 year professional career attending and sitting in business meeting and expect to spent my RV retirement years avoiding even the semblance of another one.  

The structure of FMCA appears to be similar to that we find in our government , one can be a citizen of the country but must still join a political party to cast a vote.   Not that its wrong for a country's government but is it really necessary for a RV club?

For something as simple as RVers enjoying fellowship among themselves there should be no need for bored (pun intended ) meetings.   Allow FMCA members to fraternize and have their localized fellowships of interest without requiring them be structured as businesses in order to have a voice in FMCA's business..  Why require them to join a political party ( chapter) to have a voice in the FMCA organization?   Overly control spoils the fun.  Life is hard enough why make belonging to a RV club so?

My Auto, Home and Health insurance company sends me a ballot each year to vote on the board of directors and all I have to do to qualify is pay a $25.00 membership fee.   How simple is that?   I suspect their budget and overhead may be a few hundred times that of FMCA.   Why make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Simple is better.  Why make work and employment, for a few at the expense of many, when it is unnecessary?

Just saying.....

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2 hours ago, charlieiam said:

The structure of FMCA appears to be similar to that we find in our government , one can be a citizen of the country but must still join a political party to cast a vote.   Not that its wrong for a country's government but is it really necessary for a RV club?

Even among the 50 states, not all require membership in a party to vote. Not all states require this - you just show up an vote for whomever you wish. I like the parallel here - if you want to vote in the state's (chapter) election, you've got to be a citizen of the state (chapter). But, everyone gets to vote in the national election.

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On 11/19/2020 at 10:00 AM, hermanmullins said:

On two different occasions, since l have been a member, there was voting by all members. The ballots were printed in the magazine and members were given three months to send in their ballots. Each time less than 8% of the Membership voted. There is no way of knowing but I would guess that the majority of those that voted were members of a chapter.

Herman 

I was a member for the last one, it was the only time I got to vote in FMCA. At least everyone had the opportunity to vote.

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On 11/19/2020 at 9:00 AM, hermanmullins said:

...There is no way of knowing but I would guess that the majority of those that voted were members of a chapter.

Herman 

I think it would be interesting to see the math on this one, and it would be an easy question for Dan or anyone in membership to answer. Just a simple database query. It was the only time I've been allowed to cast a vote as a member since I joined.

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Richard, today, from what I have learned..20% (I believe it's more, because total membership is different from active membership)! You can count the same F# 4 times (F# with S, D, GS, GD at end of #), I have seen GGS on one, this summer in CO. on a 5'er!

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I have not seen recent figures, but it was 24% belonged to one or more chapters. They didn’t count for each chapter the member belonged. 
 

“P” is also used for plates which is parent. 

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With chapter membership rates that low, then I would say that my thoughts on the subject should have pretty high importance for a lot more people.

Really - only 20-24% of FMCA members get to vote on how things are run at the national level? Why doesn't this bother more people?

Sorry, but I find it really bizarre that in all these years the national leadership hasn't found it necessary to find a way to involve the other 76-80% of the membership in things like voting for our national leadership. No wonder things feel like an old boys' club sometimes.

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Suspect it's like the normal 80-20 experience in many organizations. 20% contribute operationally to the organization goals and purpose, 80% members but preferring to pay dues based on their perceived economic benefits received and more or less stay in the shadows...... 

Have no idea how many of the 80% non-chapter members serve on committees, volunteer at rallies, or seek other ways to help organizations they are not satisfied with - would offer that as one way to gain support for their views.  

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Interesting point...I have found that on a Area and National level, all volunteers are members of a Chapter!  

I display my Goose Egg, but not my GS or Escapees.  Most GS and the same with Escapees,  are FMCA members, but don't display it.

Ross, I also forgot about the L# !  Then you have members who are both F# and C# !  Members who have L# and a different F# and F#, L# with the same # !  Confused yet? :blink::wacko:

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I am a Life member of Good Sam and Passport America.  I was a member of Escapee until I made the mistake of questioning a decision made by the leadership and got banned.   John 3:19  

I do not belong to any FMCA chapter... there are none in my area.   I did get to vote for the Amendment to the By-Laws to allow the inclusion of all RV types.   Being a Life Member of two other RV clubs that include all RV types I chose to join this one because of its reputation of being a Family Motor Coach Association.  It was short lived due to my joining shortly before the change in the By-Laws which did I not support.  I have no objection toward any RV type as evidenced by my Lifetime Membership in two clubs that include all types.

I am still learning the ropes here at FMCA and I get the impression that the leadership is isolated behind a firewall.   Perhaps that is good if the goal is to retain a set goal of remaining exclusively a Motor Coach Association.    That goal is no longer desired ( to be an exclusive club ) and perhaps now it would benefit the new association of RVers to allow all registered members to vote in the election of their board of Directors.  Folks in the USA are used to being in control of their leadership as evident in "We The People."

Just saying.

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