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#1 MONTIE

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

Port Richey Fla, red light camera on main road, 45 MPH speed zone, I got caught running a light, question, how much time does the yellow light stay on from start to finish, and how much time does it require to stop a 42' motor home towing a car. I have a brake system that works on the 4200 pound car. When the video started it was 2 seconds before I was already at the stop strip on the road, I was just trying to figure out if the city has a trap for RV's and trucks. I remember running the light, there was no sign of a close call with another vehicle, I was out of the intersection with 5 seconds on the timer and had brakes applied. I did not have the brakes applied when I entered the intersection, I had already realized I could not stop.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:08 PM

Don't know about Fl but AZ it is 4 seconds by law.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:15 PM

That would make it impossible to stop in a truck or motorhome that weights 35000 #'s right
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:20 PM

Check out yellow light requirements in an AASHTO book. You can probably get one at a local library or at city traffic engineers office. This book is what cities and states go by..
Here in NM cities have started to use the red light cameras. There are and have been several court cases involving them, in Las Cruces, the city is owed about 1-2 million in fines already that folks refuse to pay...here its a civil penalty..
You can always demand a hearing, require all testing, calibration on the apparatus etc....
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

DC has been using red light cameras for years! They also have a large amount of fixed and mobile speed cameras deployed as well. Traffic citations are meant to discourage citizens from breaking traffic laws which can lead to other serious events, not as revenue generators. However with that said, DC has publicly said how they increase traffic enforcement and traffic fines as a means of bringing in additional cash. There was just a story in the news a couple weeks ago how a pickup truck legally parked was repeatedly ticketed because each time the speed camera on 16th Street in NW DC was triggered, it captured the parked pickup instead of the lane of travel. Of course the city fixed that by relocating (notice not removing) the speed camera. AAA has repeatedly bashed the city (DC) about how the cameras appear to be deployed based on amount of revenue to be generated (such as major thoroughfares OUT of the city) instead of safety, but DC just gives a song and dance while collecting $$$. Metropolitan Maryland and Virginia don't want to be left out of the cash loop, so they have really stepped up their photo enforement as well over the years.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

Thanks guys, I cannot afford to fight this, I am 1000 miles from there, so they know I will not come back by the court time. The reason I asked about the yellow time is I think this thing is to quick to stop and then it produces a ticket when it is clear a truck or large RV cannot stop. At 45 MPH it would be almost impossible to stop in 10 seconds, I watched the video several times, in six seconds I went through the light, and I remember I may have been able to slow down but I was not able to stop in that distance and time.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:48 PM

Despite driving my 40,000 pound combined RV/toad, I have never NOT been able to stop when a light turned yellow UNLESS I did not see it change. We all get distracted and there have been times where I saw the light was green and then I saw that it was yellow, but I never actually saw it change. When this has happened I had to make a choice. Slam on the brakes and hope for the best or power up and, again, hope for the best. Thus far, I have lived to tell you this story but even a short lack of attention to the road ahead can have disastrous results.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:59 AM

Sorry to hear about your ticket, best thing is to pay it. I live about 20 miles from the light you are talking about (US 19 and Ridge Rd. in Port Richey.) It is one of the highest money making lights in a 7 county area. On the other hand people have challanged it in court a number of times and lost, the state DOT inspectors have checked it quite a few times and found nothing wrong with it, it meets all stanards for traffic signals.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:01 PM

Don't know about your state but in NC
"Sensors in the roadway are connected to the red light camera and the traffic light controller. The camera is activated only when a vehicle enters the intersection after the light turns red.

http://www.hsrc.unc....ght_cameras.cfm

So in NC it makes no difference how long the Yellow" is.

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#10 MONTIE

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:55 PM

At 45 MPH how much distance and time does it take to stop your coach, I could have locked it up and maybe stop in the 6-10 seconds. I saw it change but I was close enough that I knew I could not stop.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:34 AM

In Redmond WA a study was made on the red light issue and they found it was causing more accidents then the old method so they are no longer monitored. Also with my new GPS it beeps when a camera is active in the area for red ligh or speed control. All of our school districts use auto cameras for speed control.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:00 AM

In Redmond WA a study was made on the red light issue and they found it was causing more accidents then the old method so they are no longer monitored. Also with my new GPS it beeps when a camera is active in the area for red light or speed control. All of our school districts use auto cameras for speed control.

We're hearing the same thing in the DC area. The increase in accidents is rear end accidents due to panic stops when the light turns yellow when one could have easily completed crossing the intersection due knowledge that the camera is there. That "problem" is disposed citing a decrease in T-bone accidents, and an overall decrease in injuries per accident (since there is more chance of getting injured from a T-bone accident versus a read-end accident). This the lessor of two evils. The Northern Virginia portion of Metropolitan Washington DC actually stopped using their red light cameras for a while, BUT, reactived them a couple years later. In our area, red light camera and speed cameras all have the same effect... now people are "gun shy" and slow down/brake, even when not necessary.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:03 PM

You can download a POI for red light cameras and speed traps from http://www.poifactory.com. This is the only POI on the site that is not free.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:35 PM

The wife and I talked about this, shared some memories of one town in NE Texas where we seemed to catch every red light. After two or three jarring stops, I "parked" in the slow lane at a little under the speed limit, life got easier.

It's not too hard to spot these units. I see their red light camera and raise them a 15-ton rolling speedbump :P
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

Redflex is the usual provider for the cameras, Google them for some interesting reading
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:48 AM

what gps beeps for red light cameras?
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:55 AM

Not to sound like a renegade, but if you live 1000 miles away, why not ignore the ticket?
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:58 AM

I have a Garmin Gps that beeps for cameras, gives traffic updates, and accepts voice commands. Bought it online for $150. It is much better than the one in my Infinity that does none of the above and takes me to the wrong address about 1/4 of the time - that gem cost about $2500. Go Garmin.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:00 AM

Montie, you ought to look into one of these Traffic Ticket Attorneys. In FL, they easily get things thrown out and you may be able to hire one with a phone call and scanning documents back and forth via email or a fax. Below are a couple in that area:

http://speedingticke...-Richey_Florida

http://www.fightyour...ty_florida.aspx

These usually run just under or just over $100 and may be worth it to keep points off your license.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

what gps beeps for red light cameras?


Any portable GPS will alert for a red light camera if you load the POI for it. I posted a link for the best POI site earlier.
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